From record-breaking theatrical releases to massive data centers, this episode dives into how emerging technology is reshaping both digital creation and real-world experiences. The central theme revolves around the unexpected physical consequences of the tech boom, highlighting everything from AI micro-drones that actively hunt mosquitoes to the evolving luxury of app-driven cinema seating. The hosts also emphasize the backend of this innovation, noting that while software capabilities are expanding rapidly with tools like Nvidia's motion capture, the physical hardware supply chain is struggling to keep up.
The crew offer a grounded perspective on these trends, blending enthusiasm for new creative workflows with healthy skepticism about rising consumer costs. While the hosts are intrigued by the accessibility of AI tools like Lyria 3.5 for music generation and the unique form factor of the Samsung Galaxy Fold 8, they acknowledge the frustrating reality of impending hardware limitations. Their final outlook suggests that while software will continue to democratize tasks like 3D animation, the physical tech industry is heading toward a severe resource bottleneck that could dramatically impact the availability and price of consumer electronics and gaming consoles.
Key Topics
Spider-Man Shatters Box Office Records: The newest Spider-Man film has officially claimed the title of the biggest opening weekend in box office history, pulling in a staggering $360 million and surpassing the previous record held by Avengers: Endgame. This massive cultural event sparked a debate between the hosts regarding the modern theater experience, contrasting traditional chaotic general seating with the luxury of reserved recliners and dine-in services. The discussion highlights how premium, app-driven amenities are becoming essential for audiences willing to brave opening-weekend crowds.
The Rise of Mosquito-Hunting Drones: A tech company called Tornial has developed tiny, nimble drones that use ultrasonic sonar and AI to locate and eliminate mosquitoes. Instead of using fire or chemicals, these micro-drones physically intercept the insects, using their propellers to grind them up safely and quietly. This represents a highly effective, albeit slightly terrifying, application of AI and robotics to solve a major global health nuisance.
Democratizing 3D Animation: Creating 3D motion is becoming significantly easier thanks to new open-source tools from Nvidia that allow creators to generate human movement simply by prompting an AI with text directions. Additionally, the hosts discussed a clever mesh-patching technique that achieves a claymation-style mouth animation by blending a pre-made mouth patch directly onto a 3D head model. These workflows completely bypass traditional, labor-intensive rigging processes, making advanced video game animation accessible to solo developers without specialized software.
The Looming RAM Apocalypse: The explosive growth of artificial intelligence is putting immense strain on hardware manufacturing, specifically the global supply of RAM. Data centers require vastly more memory than consumer electronics, leading suppliers to prioritize enterprise AI infrastructure over console manufacturers like PlayStation and Xbox. This resource competition is actively driving up costs and slowing the development of next-generation hardware, potentially leading to a severe consumer supply bottleneck by the end of the decade.
Mentioned in the Episode
- iOS 27 Parental Controls
- Fourth Wing
- Mosquito Drone
- Your phone isn’t secretly listening
- Blender Mouth Rig
- Spider Man Non-Spoiler Review
- Google Lyria 3.5
- The Immersive Lens Shanty
- Copyright in AI Works
- ARDY - Interactive Human Motion Generation
- Galaxy Z Flip
- Googlebook
- Collections in Gemini Notebook
- Force a Copy of a Gemini Gem
- Vertical tabs in Chrome
- PlayStation 3 cluster
- Nintendo Tariff
- ChatGPT desktop
- Linux
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Dave Ghidiu Before recording, Jeff got really mad, like nerd mad - Jeff Kidd He gets mad Dave Ghidiu ...because, because the remote changed on, on the drones, and you're like, "Oh, I'm so mad." Jeff Kidd I am mad about that. Dave Ghidiu The remote. Jeff Kidd That's a nice...I don't even remember what we paid for it, but we- Dave Ghidiu Oh, they changed the remote Jeff Kidd ...the remote for the drone, like this is a nice remote.And then they don't support it anymore, I gotta buy another one. Dave Ghidiu Oh, man. Jeff Kidd I do- I- Paul Engin I need me a remote Jeff Kidd ...it's a ni- it's solid, it's a nice solid remote.It's a good r- big - ...it is, by the way, audience - ...if this, if he puts this in there, this isn't like a little TV remote.This is a big remote. Paul Engin But now it's smaller. Jeff Kidd Yeah, they made it smaller - Dave Ghidiu Oh Jeff Kidd ...and lighter, and it's got more features. Dave Ghidiu Oh, man.Life is hard, man. Paul Engin Welcome to the Immersive Lens, the podcast exploring technologies reshaping how we live, work, and learn. Dave Ghidiu From AI and virtual reality to creative media and design, we are diving into the tools and ideas shaping our connected world. Paul Engin My name is Paul Engen.Join us as we uncover the people and ideas driving the next wave of interactive experiences. Dave Ghidiu And I'm Dave Gadou.This is the Immersive Lens. Paul Engin And we are joined yet again- Dave Ghidiu Yes Paul Engin ...by the amazing, one and only, Jeff Kidd. Jeff Kidd I'm back. Dave Ghidiu Woo. Jeff Kidd Headlines.Lots of headlines. Paul Engin Lots of headlines.And, you know, since we're releasing these so quickly, we can do these because, uh, you won't hear 'em a few weeks later. Jeff Kidd That's right.That's right. Paul Engin So, um, why don't we g- go on with hot takes.Jeff, do you wanna start off?Do you had something happen with your iOS or something? Jeff Kidd Yeah.I don't know what, if it was related to me running the beta of iOS 27.I still am.I, I'm staying.Um- Paul Engin You're committing to that- Jeff Kidd I've committed to, I've commit, I've committed. You know, I actually had a thought the other day, it's because my phone's, the speaker, I'm having trouble hearing out of the ear speaker, and I'm like, "Oh, maybe, oh, what do I do?" I can't even buy a new phone even if I wanted to because it's running 26.I wouldn't be able to back up - Paul Engin Oh Jeff Kidd ...connect it to back up - Paul Engin Until- Jeff Kidd ...restore from the r- from this phone because the, until, until- Paul Engin Full release Jeff Kidd ... it releases. So I gotta, I can't do anything with it. Anyway, so the part of, part, one of the neat features that Dave and I kinda talked about a little bit is the advanced parental features, um, settings for i- in iOS 27, so I'm running that, and then my son turned 13. He turned 13 this weekend. Paul Engin Happy birthday. Jeff Kidd Yay. And we were just kinda sitting at the dining room table last night, and he was a- he's like, "Can you..." He's trying to get my permission to add contacts. And I'm like, "Don't you have this contact in there already?" And he goes, "Yeah." And I'm like, "But why are you adding it again?" And he goes, "I don't know, it wants me to add him again." And it was, it wanted my permission, and I was getting the notification, and I was clicking okay, but then there was an error. And I was like, "Why is there an error? I'm, I'm, I'm right here." And I went into my settings for, in iOS for the parental settings, I hadn't turned them on, 'cause you have to. You have to opt in for it, right? Paul Engin Right. Jeff Kidd It's not gonna automatically do it. Paul Engin Right. Jeff Kidd I'm like, oh, so I have to turn this on so he can add his contacts, and the procedure's slightly different. I can actually do it on my end, but for some reason, his iPad wasn't talking to my phone. Like, it wasn't sending me the notifications. Paul Engin Okay. Jeff Kidd He was like, "Okay, ask for permission." I wasn't getting, I wasn't getting the notification. Paul Engin Notification. Jeff Kidd And I was trying to tap it on his iPad.It was like, "Error.Can't do it.Can't do it." And I was like, maybe it's the iOS, maybe it's the difference.I'm in a beta?I don't know.That was a weird fluke. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, so I have experienced, especially with Apple, like these weird edge cases that most people don't experience. Jeff Kidd And I could, I couldn't find it. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. I, I had a similar one when I was trying to log onto a Mac, and I'd had previously like a phone. It was like, okay, just check the s- code we sent to your other device, and I haven't had an iPhone in like 10 years, and I was like, oh, this is like an edge case 'cause most people who have a Mac probably have a phone. Paul Engin Right. Dave Ghidiu So yeah, I think those flaws, but they usually get those hammered out. Jeff Kidd And, and, and what I ended up doing was, 'cause it's built into the iOS 27, I just did it myself. I just was, went into his, I activated that feature, and I could go into his phone, and I, oh, you wanna add a contact? So I added it. Paul Engin Parental or whatever. Jeff Kidd Added the name.Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I just did it from my end.But it was just like, oh, that's weird.So that was my hot take. Paul Engin Yeah, I've had that happen even with the family share, like they've been trying to get permission, and they're saying like, "Oh, I'm doing the..." But sometimes I'm like, "Are you?" Jeff Kidd Mm. Paul Engin "Are you?Wait a minute." Jeff Kidd The fact that he was sh- it was like, it was live in front of me - ... I was like, okay, this is a weird, this is a weird thing. Maybe it's because, is it because I'm on 27, a beta, and he's on iPad 26? Like there, there's some weird mismatched communication happening here. Paul Engin Gotcha. Jeff Kidd I don't know. Paul Engin How about you, Dave?What's going on? Dave Ghidiu Okay, this is really, really cool. Uh, one, I'm reading this series of books, it's fantasy about dragons. It's called Fourth Wing. It's got some spicy parts in it, but generally speaking, like I really like it. It's like just this world of mus- like magic and dragons. It's, and it takes place at a war college for dragons. So at any rate, the, I, I like, they have these magnificent battles where dragons are flying and fighting other dragons, and as I'm reading this book then, I encounter this company called, I, I think it's pronounced like Tornial, and they have these drones that are really, really small and super nimble and super quiet, and they can just fly like really, really fast, so it remind me of a dragon. But they defend against mosquitoes, and they don't breathe fire or anything, but they like w- using ultrasonic sonar and like AI, they find the mosquitoes, and they run over them in such a way that the propellers grind up the mosquitoes. Jeff Kidd Mm-hmm.I've seen this, actually. Dave Ghidiu What? Jeff Kidd It spins really f- and it spins fast enough where it's really quiet, right? Dave Ghidiu Y- yeah, it's supposed to be like super quiet. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Dave Ghidiu It's, it's wild.If you go to the website, if you go to- Jeff Kidd Yeah, I'm on the website, yeah Dave Ghidiu ... yeah, theimmersivelens.com, then you can see it, and it's just, which, like yeah, I get it, like mosquitoes are annoying. Do we really need this? But when you think that mosquitoes are like the number one killer of like human beings across the c- the world with like malaria and stuff, I'm like, this might have some... This is way more effective than any other mosquito intervention we have right now. Paul Engin That was the big Panama Canal, right?That was the everyone dying because of the mosquito. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Yeah.Um, that's crazy.I've- How does it, how does it find?Is it, is it the buzz?Like how does it- Dave Ghidiu It's a signature, yeah.So they, they can z- 'cause you, you, we can all hear the, the, the z. Paul Engin The z, yeah. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. So like, it ha- it's kinda like that app, um, Merlin for birds except for mosquitoes. And, uh, and it has like crash to turn. It won't, like, hurt humans or animals or pets or anything like that, but they just, like, zero in on these mosquitoes and just dispatch them much like a dragon would. Paul Engin Oh my gosh.So good thing you were watching, uh, the Dragon movie. Dave Ghidiu Reading. Paul Engin Or reading the Dragon movie. Dave Ghidiu Uh, they're making an TV series in the fall. Paul Engin Uh, is, is it, uh- Dave Ghidiu Or maybe next year. Paul Engin What's, what's the title? Dave Ghidiu The Fourth Wing. Paul Engin The Fourth Wing? Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu If, if you...Like, if you grew up like I did with Harry Potter and you're like, "I love the world magic"- Paul Engin Yeah Dave Ghidiu ...but you want something that's, like, a, a little bit more morbid and, and, like, more adult, it's, like, it's just scary and- Paul Engin Not Game of Thrones?That's not... Dave Ghidiu Eh.It's, it's got, like, shares some DNA. Paul Engin Yeah, okay. All right. All right. Um, so when we got here, um, on the podcast, um, I had a incident where, um, someone left me a note. And, uh, Jeff, you didn't, you weren't here f- when we were discussing this, um, but left me a note, and I, I walked into my office, I opened it, and it was from a student, and it was just saying, "Thank you. I appreciate it," blah, blah. So it was very sweet. I literally open up my phone, and it's a picture of him and I on my phone- Speaker 4 Okay Paul Engin ...from, from graduation. Speaker 4 Okay. Dave Ghidiu So, like, of all the students in the past that you've ever had- Paul Engin Of, of, yeah Dave Ghidiu ...and all the photos that you own. Paul Engin All the photos I own.And, and I've, I took a bunch of graduation pictures with- Speaker 4 Sure Paul Engin ...a bunch of students, and it was his.And so then I was like, Dave and I were talking, and we're, we're, we're wondering...I didn't verbalize it.I read it. Speaker 4 Right. Paul Engin So then it was the conspiracy of, um, vaccines, uh, tracking- Dave Ghidiu The microchips in your brain. Speaker 4 Yep, yep.Nanobots. Paul Engin Nanobots. Uh, so through... So it's either the nanobots went through my veins, went through my mind, and then from my mind, uh, th- through Wi-Fi mind, uh, magic, went on my phone. Or a more logical explanation would be- Dave Ghidiu Oh, I'd like to hear it. Paul Engin Oh. Speaker 4 Can't wait for this Paul Engin ...the location of the student was here, and it detected that- Speaker 4 Okay Paul Engin ...he was just in the area.And so it built that correlation of you took a photo right in f- 'cause it was- Speaker 4 Mm-hmm Paul Engin ...the photo was from my office. Speaker 4 Mm. Paul Engin And so I was there, he was there.And so when I open up my phone, I have a...It just randomly displays. Speaker 4 Yes. Paul Engin I don't know if you- Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.Yeah Paul Engin ...have that, like, the photos just randomly display. Speaker 4 Yes. Paul Engin On the iPhone, anyway, you have that.Android ASIMSO. Speaker 4 Yeah, we have that too, Paul. Paul Engin Okay.I just- You know, I don't know.I don't know. Speaker 4 We had it before we ever did that. Paul Engin Um, I assume Androids have cameras and, like, uh, you know- Dave Ghidiu Yes, they got cameras on the phones, and they can make calls too.Next, next year they're gonna put a speaker on it too.Uh-huh. Paul Engin There you go. Speaker 4 Wow. Paul Engin No, I'm only busting chops. Androids are awesome. But, um, it was just interesting because then I realized, I wonder if a lot of people associate the, um, like, it's listening with something more practical, like it's just based on location, or, like, you go to a pet store and you don't say anything, but then all of a sudden you get all, all the pet stuff. Speaker 4 Mm-hmm.Oh, sure.Sure. Paul Engin Or, um, I think Hugh was saying, like, all of a sudden he started getting dog food recommendations and stuff. Speaker 4 He doesn't even have a dog. Paul Engin And he doesn't have a dog.And it's, you know, Dave and I have dogs, and I, you, it could just be- Speaker 4 Mm-hmm Paul Engin ...he has us as a contact and the location of- Speaker 4 Yep Paul Engin ...so it's like- Dave Ghidiu They can see that Paul Engin ...oh, this is an- another dog person or something. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, and it, it is, like, it's nice to know that maybe it's not the microchip Wi-Fi nanobots in your body.But it is, like- Paul Engin I, I mean, it still could be.We don't know. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, but is that- Speaker 4 You don't know Dave Ghidiu ...is that any worse than all these companies that have, like, billions and billions of data points about, like, including our location, that are able to- Paul Engin Right Dave Ghidiu ...like, serve things and connect people?Um, which is really, uh, I don't know. Paul Engin That is, it is crazy. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin It is crazy. Um, and I have one more thing. This is kinda geeky, and, and so if I get too technical, we'll stop talking about this- ... because maybe this is, um... So I like doing 3D, and usually when you do a 3D model of a head, you, you model the mouth. So picture, like, a model of a mouth, and then you open the mouth, and then you put teeth in, and, and- Dave Ghidiu Do you do, like, musculature so you can have the mouth open in different ways? Paul Engin Right. Dave Ghidiu Okay. Paul Engin Right. And so there was this other technique that had the mesh completely... There was nothing there. And I was like, "How do they do this?" And it was just so s- uh, like, I think to myself, "This is, this is a really cool approach." So what they did is, um, they just created a, a mouth patch.Um, so if you picture just, like, a, a ellipse and then, like, a hole in the ellipse, and then what you do is you project a, uh, circle where the mouth would be, and it creates a hole in the 3D model, and then you just plop this onto it and blend it to the head.And I was like, "Oh, my...Are you kidding?" So this was, I experimented with this this, this weekend, and, uh, I was like, "This is really cool." So it gave a cool clay effect to the mouth animation, um, from a hole in the, um...L- like, it just, uh, I'm, I, I'm trying to stop it on my, um...But it, it just, it was a cool approach to 3D modeling, and I, I guess I'll, I'll stop there, but, um, versus fully modeling the face, you're just modeling that patch. Dave Ghidiu And for those of you who are not in the room with Jeff and I right now looking over Paul's shoulder, again, this is, like, another thing that you are saying is, like, sweet and innocent, but it's the most terrifying thing I've ever seen in my life. Like, when you see this, like, wire mesh. Speaker 4 Well, I'm looking at it, and it's like, so i- it's not animating, like, face muscles.Like, no muscles.It's just lips, basically. Dave Ghidiu So if I was like to, if you wanted to really animate someone's, articulate their facial expressions, it's not gonna do that.But it's simple, simple basic animation, right? Paul Engin Yeah, it makes it look like claymation. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Like, like it- that's essentially what it is.It's not a real mouth, it's like a claymation mouth.Um- Dave Ghidiu So terrifying. Jeff Kidd This is nightmare fuel right here. Dave Ghidiu That's cool.See, that was cool. Paul Engin That's, that's...And that's what I...Like, I was like, that's really, like, a cool approach.It was just a- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ...different approach. Dave Ghidiu Mm-hmm. Paul Engin And sometimes you're so, like, you have to model the whole thing.You don't think about these alternative techniques or methods.That's what I was, like, really enamored by. Dave Ghidiu And it's something that you wouldn't have to be an animator to do necessarily, right? Paul Engin You, I mean- Dave Ghidiu It's like vibe coding for coding.It, it's kinda like I'm trying to connect the dots- Paul Engin Yes Dave Ghidiu ...a little bit.It's like I don't know how to code, but I could vibe code.I can't animate, but could I do that? Paul Engin This would make it a lot easier to animate. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Someone would have to set this up. Dave Ghidiu Right. Paul Engin But once it's set up, I could give it to one of you guys, and it's literally, like, four points, and it's tight. Like, you basically constrain it to the mesh of the face, so it never leaves the face. So you could, like, move it around, and it will move on the, um, the contours of the face. Dave Ghidiu Mm-hmm. Paul Engin So, um, all right.I'm, I'm done geeking out.Half the pe- I lost probably half the audience on that, but- Jeff Kidd I, I, I do appreciate, like- Paul Engin No, I don't.I, I- Jeff Kidd It took me a minute to visualize what you were saying, and, and that video helped. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu I do appreciate...And then we'll put a link to that video if you put a link in the show notes. Paul Engin Okay.Yeah, yeah. Dave Ghidiu We'll put a link to that video so you can see this nightmare fuel stuff. But I do, I do appreciate when, like, an industry is, has been around for a while, and then someone comes up with, like, a nice, easy, innovative s- solution to a, to a problem. So I, I appreciate that. All right. We sh- we should dive in. And just as a reminder, folks, when we do headlines, I start the timer, if I remember, for two minutes. And- Jeff Kidd It was Paul's idea.It was Paul's idea. Dave Ghidiu Paul's idea.And immediately was like, "Can we go past the two minutes?" Paul Engin Okay. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Dave Ghidiu All right.So Jeff, do you wanna kick us off? Jeff Kidd First headline, Spider-Man. Dave Ghidiu Um- Jeff Kidd It was this weekend Paul Engin And just so you know, this one we're gonna do six minutes- Jeff Kidd See, he's, he interrupted- Paul Engin ...'cause we're gonna already... Jeff Kidd Interrupted me already. Paul Engin Okay.Go ahead.Go ahead.Go ahead. Dave Ghidiu Gosh. Jeff Kidd Yeah, yeah. W- well, two minutes a piece 'cause we both, we, we all three of us got something to say. Spider-Man, opening weekend, this weekend, all three of us saw it. We will discuss. But headline is Spider-Man: Brand New Day climbs to $360 million, biggest opening weekend box office in history. Paul Engin Is that since Endgame or- Jeff Kidd Endgame.Yeah, it b- it, it beat out its itself, basically.Marvel, uh, uh, beat out Endgame is, uh, Spider-Man.But Spider-Man's a bigger...Like, everyone knows Spider-Man.Everybody- Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd I, w- when, when I went, did you guys, do, do, did you guys have to go to a place where you picked your seats ahead? Dave Ghidiu Oh, yeah. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd I didn't.We went to Cannes today where there was a line. Dave Ghidiu Oh, like old school. Jeff Kidd Old school. Dave Ghidiu Line out the chums. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd I, yeah, even though I had pre-ordered the tickets, it didn't, 'cause you don't, you know, that's not assigned seating. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd I had to wait in line. Dave Ghidiu I, I, that's like the Southwest model now, and it gives me anxiety now. I'm like, "Oh, I don't wanna get too close. I don't wanna be too far. I need an aisle seat 'cause I get up and pee all the time." Like- These are the things I think of. Paul Engin Wait- Dave Ghidiu I'm like, "What if there's not room for me and my friends?" Paul Engin So you're saying- Jeff Kidd The, the friends first Paul Engin ...you, you like to assign the seats? Dave Ghidiu Yeah, now I do. Jeff Kidd I like that.I do agree.But it was, it was, 'cause I knew that.I knew that going in.I'm like, "Oh, we'll get there a couple minutes early.You know, 10 minute, 15 minutes early or whatever." It's just- Dave Ghidiu What are you, crazy? Jeff Kidd And I was- Dave Ghidiu On opening weekend? Jeff Kidd Well, it was just one of those things where I was just like, "Oh, it's, I already have the tickets, so- Dave Ghidiu Did you get good seats though? Jeff Kidd Yeah.Oh, yeah. Dave Ghidiu Okay. Jeff Kidd We got decent...Yeah, because we didn't get popcorn, you know, 'cause people was normally- Paul Engin You just went right in. Jeff Kidd We just went right in.And I was, "Oh, this is, half the theater's still available.We're, we're fine." Dave Ghidiu I'm getting anxiety just listening to this. Jeff Kidd No. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd It was fine. Paul Engin We ended up- Jeff Kidd It was fun.But it was actually kinda nice.It was like, you know- Paul Engin Exciting Jeff Kidd ...you're just like, "Oh, look at all these people here.We're all here to see it." Dave Ghidiu Yeah.I knew it. Jeff Kidd That never happens.I can't remember the last time I waited in line to see a movie.That was fun. Paul Engin Yeah.So I, you know, about this, I f- how cool is this?We have three different movie experiences with this one movie. Jeff Kidd That's true. Paul Engin So you did general audience. Jeff Kidd Yep. Paul Engin I did reserved seating, um- Dave Ghidiu Recliners Paul Engin ...recliners.And what did you do? Dave Ghidiu I did the Apple Cinema experience. Uh, and that was, it's that you, you reserve it, and it's recliners, but they also have a table at each seat with a QR code, and you can use your app and order food and beverages, and they bring it out to you during the movie. Paul Engin So is it, so i- I'm- Jeff Kidd Have you done this? Paul Engin Is this like a restaurant? Jeff Kidd I've done it before.Have you done it before? Paul Engin I've never done it before. Jeff Kidd Okay, I've done it before. Dave Ghidiu It's like if you go to, say, the airport, almost every airport restaurant and n- now works where you like, you pull up the menu, you say, "I want this, this, and this," and they bring it out to you. Because a QR code's interdependent or individual for each seat. Paul Engin But n- I guess what I'm saying, is it, i- is it like a restaurant setting?Like, is it tables?Is, or is it still like seating? Dave Ghidiu Oh, no.This particular one is like, y- you know like in the college classrooms where it has, like, the tray that comes over or an- Paul Engin Oh, yeah Dave Ghidiu ...you know.It's, it's like that. Jeff Kidd So you're in your seat to watch the movie, and there's a s- a tray there- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Jeff Kidd ...for you to put your food down. Paul Engin Okay, so it's not...For some reason I was think- I was thinking, like, it's a bunch of tables and restaurants- Jeff Kidd No, no, but, um- Paul Engin ...and you're eating, and you're just, like, looking up and watching. Dave Ghidiu The, the Alamo Drafthouse in New York City is similar to that where they have, like, a shared table between, like, two or three seats. Paul Engin Uh-huh. Dave Ghidiu Or at least, uh, m- maybe it wasn't Alamo. Maybe it was one that I went to that was similar to. Um, so but I do like this model, a- and I think, like, this is the technology's changing. Everyone can rent movies and, you know, if you wait three weeks, you can watch Spider-Man. Well, maybe not Spider-Man, but, like, almost... Like, I watched Masters of the Universe this weekend, and that was in theaters, like, a month ago. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu So, like, now- Paul Engin I did too. Dave Ghidiu Uh, we can talk about that maybe in the next episode. Paul Engin Okay.Yeah. Dave Ghidiu But the, the, the experience is worth the premium, the, the little bit more cost, but it's much more... Like, I, I won't go to a theater for a normal movie now, but I go for a cool movie like this, and I want the recliner, and I wanna pick my seat, and, like, oh yeah, their burgers are actually really good there. Paul Engin Well, that's what I was gonna say.Do you smell, like, burger?Like, do they, like, like, is it, like, chicken- Dave Ghidiu Espe- well, especially when- Paul Engin ...sandwiches? Dave Ghidiu ...they bring it to the seat next to you. Paul Engin Oh. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Jeez. Jeff Kidd I actually thought... So I, I think it was the first Dr. Strange movie. I saw it in one of these theaters, and I feel like it was, we were, we were, we, we wanted to experience that. We wanted it to be there while the movie was playing, whereas most people had come early, ate, and then they- ... watch the movie. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Jeff Kidd So I felt like we were disturbing people by having our food delivered and we were eating it, like- Paul Engin Oh, no Jeff Kidd ...in the middle of the movie. Paul Engin I, I did wonder, did that interrupt your view?Like, do they come and say, "Hello, sir, d- here's your- Jeff Kidd No Paul Engin ...Can I get you condiments?" Like- Jeff Kidd They're, they're very- Paul Engin I don't know.I don't know. Jeff Kidd "Can we get you condiments?" Dave Ghidiu I think they, they try very hard to not be disruptive.And there's so much room, like way more legroom than there is even at, like, the AMC theaters or the, uh- Paul Engin Regal Dave Ghidiu ... Regal theaters. There's way more room to navigate, so there's no... You don't have to, like, pull your feet up if someone's walking in front of you. Um, it was, it was, it was a nice experience. I would do it again. And this is the one in Pittsford. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu And the company Apple is not related to Apple- Paul Engin Okay Dave Ghidiu ...but they are involved in a lawsuit regarding the name. Jeff Kidd Mm-hmm. Paul Engin That's true. Jeff Kidd It- Dave Ghidiu Um- Jeff Kidd That's right Dave Ghidiu ...yeah, so it, it was a good experience.I liked the movie.I thought the movie was great. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu I, I actually don't think it was my favorite Spider-Man, but I thought it was great. Jeff Kidd It's not my favorite Spider-Man, I will say that. Paul Engin I will say that as well.I, I, I know, like, people are raving about it, and I'm, I'm glad I saw it.I'm glad I saw it on opening day, but I'm not...It's not the...And I always use this- Jeff Kidd And by the way, no spoilers- Paul Engin Yeah, we're not Jeff Kidd ...for...We, we've already, we discussed that, but we need to state it here. Paul Engin No spoilers. Jeff Kidd This is a non-spoiler conversation review. Paul Engin I thought it had...You know what I felt?And, and I saw it with my daughter and, uh, and she said the same thing.You need to see it to build up for Doomsday is what I felt. Jeff Kidd Really? Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd I didn't think that at all. Dave Ghidiu No, but I like...I do appreciate how every movie, and you had said this before, is, like, very intentional with what they're doing- Paul Engin Yes Dave Ghidiu ... even if you don't know in the moment. But you're like, you look back on it, and you're like, "Oh, that's why they did that thing three movies ago." So I like that, and I lo- 'cause I love the whole, like, lore narrative in the universe.Um, I liked it because it was a good Spider-Man movie. Jeff Kidd Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu It was very good.I don't know, um, I don't know that it nee- you need to see it to lead up to Doomsday, but maybe you do.I don't know.We, we won't know until we see Doomsday. Jeff Kidd It's hype for it, though. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Oh, it's the hype.I think that's where- Jeff Kidd It's hyping it for Doomsday. Paul Engin Right. Jeff Kidd Yes.I'll, I'll give it that. Paul Engin Because it wasn't, like...I don't know.There's, like, some movies, and I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you how old I am, where, like, when we went to see Die Hard on opening night, when it- Dave Ghidiu Die- the original? Paul Engin The original. Dave Ghidiu You saw that in the theater? Paul Engin Yeah.We were in a line.Like, there was a huge line, right?But when you go in, the crowd is like, "Oh!" Dave Ghidiu Yep. Paul Engin "No!" Dave Ghidiu Yeah, yeah. Paul Engin And, like, there's, like, cra- like- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ...and you're getting into it. Dave Ghidiu Mm-hmm. Paul Engin And you're...Everyone is cracking up, and it wasn't like that in, at least in my theater, it wasn't- Dave Ghidiu No Paul Engin ...that, that- Dave Ghidiu Mine either. Jeff Kidd You gotta go to the midnight showings if you want people- Dave Ghidiu Yes Jeff Kidd ...in costume, like, slinging webs and- Dave Ghidiu Yes. Paul Engin Oh, and it was at night.I think I did do the Die Hard at, like, an evening showing. Dave Ghidiu Well- Jeff Kidd Well, okay, yeah Dave Ghidiu ...I'm surprised Die Hard One even had that fanfare because no one thought it was gonna be s- Paul Engin Well, I, it was just- Dave Ghidiu Wow Paul Engin ...everyone just started going crazy. Jeff Kidd Oh, but was it one of those things where it could've been, like, like, Star Wars or something like that?It's like, oh, the word of mouth. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd Everyone's hyped for it.We all know what we're gonna go see, and we're excited for it. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd So yeah, I get that. Paul Engin Yeah.But I was wondering if the general admission was like that. Jeff Kidd No. Paul Engin That's what...No, it wasn't. Jeff Kidd No, because we went, there were a lot of kids. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Jeff Kidd And I mean, like, little kids. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd Like, really, really little kids.So a lot of them were, like, asking questions and- Paul Engin Well Jeff Kidd ...talking through it, which- Paul Engin It seems like an older Spider-Man. Jeff Kidd It- Paul Engin Like, like, for an older audience. Jeff Kidd It, it, which it was.I agree with that, but still, kids are gonna- Paul Engin Yeah Jeff Kidd ...see it, and want to go. Dave Ghidiu One other...Speaking of older Spider-Man, like, his costume was kinda like the 1960s one. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Dave Ghidiu But it was like m- up until this point, I think for the most part, his costume's been CGI.I think he was in, like, Spandex for the whole movie. Jeff Kidd Oh, he really was, for sure. Dave Ghidiu Which, which I liked.It was cool.You could see the texture, and you could see the wrinkles in it. Jeff Kidd Yep. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd You could actually see his eyes, too. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd Like, through the mesh. Dave Ghidiu Yes. Jeff Kidd That was, that's a first, which I liked a lot. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Okay, so we, we give it, we give it high marks. Jeff Kidd We do. Paul Engin Yes.Yep.I- Jeff Kidd Yes, we do. Paul Engin Yep.But it wasn't...I don't think it was the best Spider-Man. Jeff Kidd No.No. Paul Engin So. Jeff Kidd No. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd But good.My wife, she's, she's not into this.She doesn't care about movies. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd She's not into the, you know, Marvel or any of that stuff.She, I said, "Well, what'd you think?" And she's like, "It's just another Spider-Man movie." Paul Engin Can I- Jeff Kidd "It's just more Spider-Man." Paul Engin Will I ruin something if I talk about an older Spider-Man? Jeff Kidd No. Paul Engin Okay.So my daughter- Jeff Kidd How, how, are we going back to, like, '80s Spider-Man? Paul Engin No, no, no, no, no, no. Jeff Kidd Like, are we going to stay in the '80s? Paul Engin Um, when, when you saw all the Spider-Men come on- Jeff Kidd Yeah. Paul Engin My daughter went on an opening night for that, and she goes, as soon as they came out, everyone in the theater was like, "No!" And people were clapping. Jeff Kidd Mm-hmm. Paul Engin And it was like- Jeff Kidd Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Mm-hmm Paul Engin ...and she was like, "Unfortunately, I didn't get that-" Jeff Kidd Oh, yeah Paul Engin ..."here." So she- Dave Ghidiu Because she didn't see the Toby Maguire ones or the Andrew Garfield ones. Paul Engin Right. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin So but when she got there, she saw...She ended up seeing all of them, but when she was at the theater, she was expecting that type of- Dave Ghidiu Energy and...yeah, yeah Paul Engin ...the same energy that she got from that- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ...that previous movie, and it wasn't there. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Um, but- Dave Ghidiu It had, it had less fan service, I think. Jeff Kidd But that's also better, it's better that way.It, from a storytelling perspective, it's, it's, we're not rehashing the same thing over and over again. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd It's not, you know, the Star Wars sequels, which were, that, what they were trying to do- Dave Ghidiu Which were terrible Jeff Kidd ...unfortunately. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd But anyway. Paul Engin All right.So we went- Jeff Kidd Good Paul Engin ...beyond our six minutes.Good job. Dave Ghidiu Okay. Jeff Kidd Well, he didn't start the timer again- Paul Engin Oh Jeff Kidd ...so I have no idea how long it went. Paul Engin Oh, unbelievable. Jeff Kidd Okay. Paul Engin All right.Go ahead, Dave. Dave Ghidiu So the next thing I wanna share is Lyria 3.5. This is Google Music, so if you've used, say, Suno.ai, which creates full-length songs, Google just released their current version. And if you went to Gemini a few weeks ago, and you're like, "Make me a song," it would do, like, 30 seconds. It might do a minute, but this is full-blown. You can give it lyrics. You can give it, uh, like, tone, and it makes really good songs. So I made a sea shanty. I actually had Claude go out and research all of the previous episodes of the Immersive Lens to get, like, the DNA of what we do- Paul Engin Okay Dave Ghidiu ...and the shared sensibility.And so I had Claude write a prompt that I could use here to make a sea shanty about the Immersive Lens.So I will post that on the website and, uh- Paul Engin Can we hear a little bit of it? Jeff Kidd You don't have it ready now? Paul Engin I know. Dave Ghidiu I, I do have it now.I don't know how to...Can, can I just give it to you, and in post we can, like- Paul Engin Well, we can, or you could just move the mic to the- Dave Ghidiu All right. Jeff Kidd Yeah, yeah.I wanna hear it now. Paul Engin We could go old school. Jeff Kidd We wanna hear it. Dave Ghidiu Okay. Jeff Kidd So you react to it. Dave Ghidiu All right. Jeff Kidd We'll give you, I'll give you an extra, we'll give you an extra minute- Dave Ghidiu Okay Jeff Kidd ...for that.Here, so... Speaker 5 Professors and- As the hype game thickens dense.So we trimmed the sail and took a look through the immersive lens. Paul Engin So, wait - Dave Ghidiu I like that Paul Engin ...did you write the lyric? Dave Ghidiu No. Paul Engin So you know lyrics? Dave Ghidiu No, Clau- Claude wrote the lyrics. So you don't have to have the lyrics made w- if you wanna use this tool, but you can, and Claude wrote them based on his research of the 30 episodes we've had so far. And in fact, I do mention lenses in here, so if you are a lensy- ... uh, y- you might appreciate it more. Paul Engin All right.And so you're gonna, you're gonna share that with us? Dave Ghidiu Yeah, I'll s- I'll share it with you. Paul Engin Okay.I'm just looking at, 'cause I'm geeking out like this, I'm just looking at attributions for this.So it's MIT license.Oh, oh, so you're not allowed to own...So someone else could take our- Dave Ghidiu Y- anything AI generates cannot be copyrighted- Paul Engin Yeah, yeah.That makes sense Dave Ghidiu ...ever, as of right now. Paul Engin Makes sense. Dave Ghidiu So, so people can actually, they can snipe the Immersive Lens Sea Shanties and sell it.All right, that's two minutes. Paul Engin But that's cool. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin I like it so far. Dave Ghidiu That's really neat.Um, so it's int- does this whole copyright thing d- even if you do a derivative of it and use it as a tool, don't you own the rights to your derivative of- No Paul Engin ...whatever it produces? Dave Ghidiu I- an AI cannot be... Anything created by AI currently cannot be copy... I'm not a lawyer, but the most recent case that I've seen says nothing that AI creates can be copywritten without significant, um, input from the user, and that is a little ambiguous right now. Paul Engin Okay.Yeah, 'cause I saw...Okay, 'cause that, I always wonder about that.So I assume code that's written by AI- Dave Ghidiu Code can't be copyrighted anyhow- Paul Engin But- Dave Ghidiu ...just writ large Paul Engin ...but what it produces can be copywritten, right? Dave Ghidiu Oh, yeah. Paul Engin Like, if I produce this VR studio, it's not open for anybody. Dave Ghidiu I would say th- a- and again, I'm not a lawyer, that the amount of human intervention you've had in that process would probably give you grounds to...But you can't copyright code. Paul Engin But you can c- copyright the product it produces, otherwise- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ...every, every software could be- Dave Ghidiu There's other license and protections- Paul Engin There- Dave Ghidiu ...but they're, they're not copyright, but there's an, the analog of copyright. Paul Engin Right.Interesting. Dave Ghidiu So that was a semantic pedantic. Paul Engin Yeah.Jeff's like- ..."Can we move on please?" Dave Ghidiu No, no, no.I was, that's, that's interesting- Paul Engin Thank you Dave Ghidiu ...you know, from a, you know- Paul Engin Yeah Dave Ghidiu ...video production and, you know, copyright. Paul Engin Mm. Dave Ghidiu All right.So who's up next? Paul Engin Jeff, do you wanna go? Dave Ghidiu Oh, I wasn't ready.You go. Paul Engin Okay.Um, so- Dave Ghidiu Starting the timer. Paul Engin So, so again, I'm gonna geek out again. I'm, I'm r- I'm trying to do research onto open source, um, tools, and, uh, tools that, um, you can use freely. Y- you might need a system to do it, but, um, I found this one tool, um, when I was doing research on the mouth animations. Um, I found this tool from, uh, Nvidia, and Nvidia has a huge, um, repository for open source, um, tools. But, um, what this does is it's, uh, something you can download and install and, um, you can create motion, um, so movement, like human movement. So I can say move forward, or I can pick two points and have a person move. Um, and then I can take that motion and put it on my character. Does that make sense? Dave Ghidiu And this is AI backed? Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu So- Paul Engin So I can prompt it. So I can say, um, "Do a, um, a box step," and, you know, it'll create that motion, and then I can take that motion and refine it a little bit, but then I can move it onto my character. Dave Ghidiu So th- two questions.One, what software do you wind up putting this in?Like in Premiere? Paul Engin Blender, Maya- Dave Ghidiu Okay, okay Paul Engin ...and a 3D application. Dave Ghidiu Okay.And the second thing is, so sometimes open source, and I love the idea of open source- Paul Engin Mm-hmm Dave Ghidiu ...and it, it seems so easy.So could someone without a lot of technical acumen take this and do something cool with it? Paul Engin Not yet. Dave Ghidiu Okay. Paul Engin But the tool itself...Well, the problem is, is a lot of these tools require several step install.It's not a simple, like, double click and it installs- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ...and you run it. Dave Ghidiu It's not like an app store and you- Paul Engin Right. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin You have to run a terminal. You have to make sure Python is in... Like, you have to do a few steps, but, um, the, the concept is there, and I'm sure someone will build a, something where you can double click and install it- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ...and then you'll be able to create the motion.But then, you know, there's the steps outside of using this that you would have to migrate it over to whatever tool you're using. Dave Ghidiu Okay. Paul Engin Um, so, uh, I, I, I thought it was really cool the, the prompting and, um, yeah. Dave Ghidiu And we'll have a link to that in the show notes.Is this replacing mocap? Paul Engin Uh, mocap?Motion cap. Dave Ghidiu Motion capture. Paul Engin Yeah.So it's, uh- Dave Ghidiu Motion capture is where a, a, actor- Paul Engin Like- Dave Ghidiu ...so a person would mo- would do the motion that then we would then translate that into, like, an animation or like something for a video game. Paul Engin Like Gollum from- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ...whatever. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, yeah. Paul Engin Yeah.So, um, it's a version of it, um, where you can capture motion and then...But it's prompting versus someone acting. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.Like, would this replace that? Paul Engin It could.Um, you'll never...The, I think the advantages of some of that motion capture is because tho- they interact with the actors sometimes.Like, so if it's like, you know- Dave Ghidiu A fight Paul Engin ...a CG- Dave Ghidiu A physical fight- Paul Engin Yeah Dave Ghidiu ...like you and I are fighting, it's gonna be more natural than trying to do it this way. Paul Engin Right. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin So, um, I think that this is just a nice... Like, if I wanted to do a, um, a parkour style animation or something, I can say, you know, parkour up to this block, then to this block, then to this post, and then I can migrate that movement over to my character where I have a similar setup. Dave Ghidiu That's cool. Paul Engin So- Dave Ghidiu I see.Yeah.Mm-hmm Paul Engin ... um, yeah. And I think they're using it for much more than that. They're using it for studies. Um- ... you know, 'cause they're eventually training robots for movement, if this making sense. So they use this as the testing, and then they use similar systems to then integrate into those systems, so. But I like it because I can migrate it over to the 3D stuff I do, so. All right. Now are you ready? Jeff Kidd Now I'm ready. Paul Engin Okay. Jeff Kidd Yeah, yeah, yeah.I, we, this is sort of a follow-up, so this, this could be pretty short.Start the timer. Paul Engin Oh.Timer has been started. Jeff Kidd Um, I was, uh, work- working with someone this weekend, and he pre-ordered the Samsung Galaxy Fold 8. Paul Engin Really? Jeff Kidd We were just talking about that. Paul Engin We were just- Jeff Kidd Yes Paul Engin ...talking about that on the- Jeff Kidd Yeah, we were just talking about it. Paul Engin The Passport. Jeff Kidd Yes.And it made me kinda look into it a little more.And the reviews are coming out.It's really good. Dave Ghidiu Oh, no.It's doing what it, we didn't think it could do? Jeff Kidd Yeah. Dave Ghidiu It's, like, attracting an iPhone person? Jeff Kidd Ah, it's look- well- Paul Engin Did you look at it? Jeff Kidd Or- Paul Engin Did you actually see one? Jeff Kidd I watched.I didn't actually, like- Paul Engin Oh Jeff Kidd ...hold one in my hands, but I watched a couple rev- of, of reviews of people are saying it's the best one they've ever made. Dave Ghidiu I mean, they've been at the Fold for a long time. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Paul Engin But even better than the, than their- Jeff Kidd Yeah Paul Engin ...than their, um, horizontal, the one that they've had for a while. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, the Z Fold. Paul Engin The Z Fold. Jeff Kidd The other Folds, the other Flips, they're saying it's the best. Dave Ghidiu Now, you specifically said you did not like that form factor. Jeff Kidd No.I know. Dave Ghidiu I was like- Paul Engin I just heard that on the way here Dave Ghidiu ...we are issuing an errata.Another errata. Jeff Kidd I don't know.It's making me think.I tell you why.I tell you what it is, why I'm c- why I, why I would do it.And I've actually kind of talked to Paul about this a little bit over the years. Dave Ghidiu We're gonna need more than two minutes on this. Jeff Kidd I miss- Dave Ghidiu I'm gonna pause it. Jeff Kidd No, no, no.No.This is, is s- I'm a one-handed phone user. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd I wanna be... And I have the, the PopSocket so I can be one-handed. The best, and, and Dave, you can comment on, on, on this too. The form, the best form factor iPhone I've ever had was the 11 Pro, because it was 5.8 inches. It was perfect. I could have it in my hand. I could reach the top with- Dave Ghidiu Yeah, it was the perfect size to get in your pocket.Yeah Jeff Kidd ...with my th- I didn't have to have anything on it.And ev- and they haven't gone back.5.8 inches is perfect.And when they were just going over this phone folded, it's 5.5 inches. Dave Ghidiu Oh. Jeff Kidd So I was like, ooh, I could do it one-handed with that. And then I could open it if I wanted to watch stuff. And they were talking about how the bars are smaller, so the screen aspect ratio, it fills more screen. Dave Ghidiu Oh. Jeff Kidd How it actually kind of comes close to being this size anyway. Dave Ghidiu The size...So you're holding up your current phone. Jeff Kidd Yeah, I'm holding up my- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Jeff Kidd ...and the, the, this is the 15 Pro Max.So it's not much smaller than if I just had it on here with the, with bars on it.I was like, ooh. Dave Ghidiu And so, uh, two questions. Jeff Kidd Maybe. Dave Ghidiu O- o- one observational question.I think Samsung's phones are fantastic.If I didn't buy- Paul Engin Yeah.Yeah Dave Ghidiu ...the vanilla Android, like the Pixel, I would definitely get a Samsung.But my question for you is, is it enough for you to bust out of the ecosystem? Jeff Kidd No. Dave Ghidiu Okay. Jeff Kidd I'm just saying that it's making me want- Paul Engin When the Apple comes out- Jeff Kidd Yeah Paul Engin ...he might shift.But- Jeff Kidd But they're say...This, so the Z Fold 8, I guess, is $1,900.The Apple's is gonna be- Dave Ghidiu Oh, it's gonna be, like, $3,000. Jeff Kidd I don't...Yeah.With the, with tariffs and the memory shortage and all that kind of stuff, I'm sure it's gonna be crazy expensive. Dave Ghidiu And the Apple tax. Jeff Kidd That's what I'm saying.Like- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Jeff Kidd ...it'll be, and it's Apple.Like, I would pay nine- for, for that, I don't even know if I'd pay $1,900.But I'm paying $1,200 now because I pay for extra storage. Dave Ghidiu Mm. Paul Engin So here's the argument with that.It's equivalent to you buying an iPad and an iPhone. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Dave Ghidiu That's true.It s- replaces two devices. Paul Engin It replaces two, 'cause I was thinking- Dave Ghidiu Oh Paul Engin ...the same thing.Like, I was like, right now I have an iPad that I'll, I'll bust out once in a while.And I will say we buy Samsung-specific Android devices normally, um- Jeff Kidd For the program, the- Paul Engin For the pro- Jeff Kidd Yeah Paul Engin ... New Media program because we do development with Android. And we found that they're, they're pretty reliable in what, what we're trying to achieve. Um, so I, I feel like I wanna play, I wanna go to a store, and I just wanna c- like I said, when I, when I saw the new, that new thin Fold, I was like, I, this could, this could convert me. It's thin. When I op- I have the tablet. Dave Ghidiu Yeah.You, you'll ne- Paul Engin But- Dave Ghidiu ...you'll never bust out of the ecosystem. Paul Engin I'm not.I'm not. Jeff Kidd But it's, it's... Okay, battery life, it's got, it needs to be really good, for me anyway. For that amount of money, battery life, I... My battery's at, maybe at 80%. I've had it for t- it'll be three years coming up. I can't get through a day, not even close. Dave Ghidiu Yeah.Well- Jeff Kidd It's a lot of screen.Uh- Dave Ghidiu But Apple is known for planned obsolescence in battery. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Dave Ghidiu They specifically throttle their batteries. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Um, I'm... Listen, what gives... And I, I know we're, we're going a little off-script, but Google Chromebooks are, which, like, I love the Chromebook. I own a PC. I own a Mac. I own a few Macs, and I use my Chromebook for almost everything. And maybe, maybe, maybe you guys will let me try and convince you to Chromebooks. But the next iteration's called a Google Book, and it's coming out in the fall. Jeff Kidd Yes. Dave Ghidiu And Samsung has one.And all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, the ecosystem of Chromebooks with...Or I'm sorry, Google Books with maybe- Paul Engin Android Dave Ghidiu ... this new... Yeah. So I'm really, really excited about that. And the ecosystem that I'm jealous of with, like, Sidecar on the Macs where you can put your tablet next to it and the screen automa- it's like a second screen, and you can copy and paste between devices. Like, I don't think we're far off from that. We kinda have that on Chromebooks right now on Android, but the next iteration of the Google Books. Paul Engin So can I...I know we're way over our 10 minutes.But with Android, do you ever feel, and I'll call it bloatware, 'cause I remember- Dave Ghidiu That's why you buy the Pixel.It doesn't have p- bloatware. Paul Engin Okay.All right. Jeff Kidd Samsung, though, they, it does? Paul Engin Yeah, well, it's got its, uh, its own Samsung, like, applications- Jeff Kidd App store. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dave Ghidiu Although they're trimming that down. They got rid of Samsung Messages and now, like, are using Google proper Messages. So, like, but you're right. Like, any time you buy any software or any hardware from a third party, you, you're gonna get bloatware on it. Paul Engin Right.And when we say bloatware, we're meaning, like, even if you buy, um, a Samsung, you will get their Samsung- ...applications on there.You'll get their, uh, whatever they're trying to push. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Um, and- Dave Ghidiu Even, even their s- Paul Engin And you get all the Google stuff. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, but it- Paul Engin Like- Dave Ghidiu Like, Google, th- their settings menu is different than the Android settings.So, like, they're going into Android, and they're paying the license fee, and they're tweaking things.And- Paul Engin Right Dave Ghidiu ...and so, like, they're, they're adding to it, and I think that just adds to the mess.But listen- Paul Engin Yeah Dave Ghidiu ...if it's a cool phone, and if I had an extra $4,000, I'd buy one of them- ...and, like, another computer or two. Jeff Kidd And it doesn't change any- Like, you don't have to code anything differently.Like, when you make apps for things, do you have to code it differently s- Dave Ghidiu No Jeff Kidd ...for- Dave Ghidiu If it works on Android, it works. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Paul Engin Yeah, and so...And that, here's a cool thing.We, we have the, we have the older Fold, and, um, when we're doing application development, since we're doing all percentage based, it, it scales to- Jeff Kidd Mm Paul Engin ...the...So when we flip it open, it actually works still great, so. Jeff Kidd But is it worth re- like, doing it specifically for these phones? Paul Engin No. Jeff Kidd So you have, like, half a page here doing this, the other half doing that. Dave Ghidiu Oh.Oh, yeah.They'll, they'll have to have the API, and they've done that already because those Folds have been out for a while.So it's not- Paul Engin Right Dave Ghidiu ...it's not hard. Paul Engin Yeah, we, I have not had our students... 'Cause they're just learning this right now. But yeah, I get... I think if you were just specifically building an app for that, and you wanted to utilize those, like, fold it so it looks like a keyboard- Dave Ghidiu A keyboard or- Paul Engin ...or something. Dave Ghidiu Or have data, different data display differently. Paul Engin Yeah, but I think that it actually builds it so it scales up whatever you've done anyway, and it'll put the keyboard there if that's a...I don't know.I haven't- Dave Ghidiu Yeah, like, we've seen responsive apps.Like if you look at- Paul Engin Right Dave Ghidiu ...any app on a big screen or a small screen, it changes, and so there is a responsiveness.I'm sure there's an API for, like, this fold thing. Paul Engin Yeah, yeah.All right. Jeff Kidd I, but, uh, uh, I would try Google Book. Dave Ghidiu All right. Paul Engin I haven't seen- Jeff Kidd I don't know about that Paul Engin ...Google Book. Jeff Kidd It's not out yet. Dave Ghidiu It's not out yet. Paul Engin Not out yet. Dave Ghidiu But they do have this, like, um, I think all of them are gonna have, like, this light, kind of like Night Rider on the outside, but it's the Google colors that'll go back and forth. Paul Engin Oh, that'd be cool. Dave Ghidiu Yeah.Um, but it is...So the Google Book is built with AI from the ground up, much unlike every other PC you've bought has, like, AI bolted on. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu So, like, your cursor can kind of contextually tell what you might want to do based on where it is and what's on the screen. So it's just, it's, it's a really interesting perspective of, um, AI integration. Like, this is the next it- iteration. Jeff Kidd It's one that's purely it.It would be like it's hardware, software, integration specifically for AI.That's what I would want to be in. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd That'd be interesting.Okay, let's move on. Paul Engin That sounds like an Apple device.I'm not sure. Jeff Kidd Let's- Dave Ghidiu Oh, yeah- Jeff Kidd Let's go away Dave Ghidiu ...'cause the AI and Apple devices are so good. Paul Engin All right, uh. Jeff Kidd Do you want to do some... Dave Ghidiu Mm. Jeff Kidd I mean, you're sitting there. Dave Ghidiu Okay.So the next topic- Jeff Kidd Move on.Let's move on now. Dave Ghidiu Before it gets violent in here. The next topic, uh, I just want to give some Google updates. So one, now with Google Notebook, or, I'm sorry, Gemini Notebook, which used to be called Notebook LM, they just changed the name of it. But you, they now have collections, so you can group them. So we've been missing that hierarchy. It was just basically you'd have, like, 100 different notebooks, but now you can group them and cluster them in these things called collections. Another thing I want to share is that you can now make... If you al- alter the URL, so if you're sharing the URL of your notebook, or this is also true for Gems, you can make it so it forces a copy. So the user can make their own copy without having to go to, like, file, copy. They... So- Paul Engin Oh Dave Ghidiu ...which is kind of cool. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu Um, but one of the things that I'm really excited about uh, in Chrome, and this has been out for a little while, but it just came to my, uh, Neo that I'm on right now, is vertical tabs in Chrome. So because screens are landscape, uh, you lose a lot of vertical space when you have the tabs at the top. So now they have them on the side vertical, and it's really cool. And Firefox has had that for a while, but it, it's in the full, it's fully fledged, fully baked in Chrome right now. Paul Engin Is that a de- Is that a feature you have to enable? Dave Ghidiu Yes.It's a setting, and I forgot where I did it already.But I think it would basically pop up.It was like, "Hey, congratulations.Do, do you want vertical tabs?" And I was like, "Yeah." Um, it- Paul Engin Congratulations. Dave Ghidiu But- Paul Engin What did I do? Dave Ghidiu But, uh, well, I think it's 'cause I updated. Paul Engin Ah. Dave Ghidiu But, um, much like, you know, if you're using, let's say, like, Gemini or Y- or, or ChatGPT- Paul Engin Right Dave Ghidiu ...you can collapse the sidebar. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu It does the same thing, and then you just get, like, the n- So it's, it's just a really interesting way of, um, browsing, and that's kind of like how all, every other software is. Like, when you're developing, you get the sidebar when... Like, even in Photoshop, like, you have the sidebar. So I like it. Paul Engin Yeah.And even our Google Docs when we're using, uh- Dave Ghidiu Google Docs, yeah Paul Engin ...the docs that we use for the show, we have it on the, the tabs on the left. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd Yep.Horizontal, vertical. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd Yep, and there they are. Dave Ghidiu Okay.It might take a little while- Paul Engin Where'd you- Dave Ghidiu ...to get used to. Paul Engin Where'd you see the? Jeff Kidd It's in, uh, it's go to settings. Paul Engin Uh-huh. Dave Ghidiu Folks, get out your computers right now- Jeff Kidd And hit- Dave Ghidiu ...even if you're driving.Go to settings. Paul Engin Settings. Dave Ghidiu Doing a tutorial. Paul Engin Appearance.Okay.Oh, look at that.Even while we're talking. Jeff Kidd And then tabs.Mine was kind of, it was kind of towards the top appearance. Paul Engin Oh, tabs position. Jeff Kidd And- Paul Engin Horizontal.Okay, yeah Dave Ghidiu ...I didn't like it at first, but it's just, it, but I think I do like it, and I, especially when you collapse it so you just see the icons, like the fave icons of it. Jeff Kidd Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu Um, but it's cool. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu It makes more sense. Paul Engin I like that, yeah.Although it's weird because you're so used to them being up there. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd Oh. Paul Engin It- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ...it takes some getting used to. Jeff Kidd Okay, that I like.Collapsing it so it's just the icons. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd Okay.It's like a taskbar. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd I like that. Dave Ghidiu All right.So th- tho- those are some, that, some updates from the land of Google. Jeff Kidd I'll try it. Paul Engin You know what?That's really interesting.I think a lot of people will use that feature. Jeff Kidd I'm gonna try it. Dave Ghidiu Yeah.I think it might be the default in Firefox, actually.I don't know. Jeff Kidd Hmm.I haven't used Firefox in forever. Dave Ghidiu All right.So we'll, we'll report back next week. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Paul Engin Yes.Yes.All right, Jeff. Jeff Kidd Uh, it's your turn. Paul Engin No, I don't have any more. Jeff Kidd Oh, you don't have any more?Oh, okay.Um- Paul Engin I'm just commenting now. Jeff Kidd Oh, oh, I moved a lot, all my tabs. Dave Ghidiu Where did they go? Paul Engin It's confused them.It's on your left now. Jeff Kidd Yeah, I know, but, like, I had 'em, I had 'em all open.I had everything open.No.Um, oh, man.Okay, well- Dave Ghidiu We need to stand by the technical difficulties music. Jeff Kidd Yeah.Do, do-do, do-do. Paul Engin Uh, well, I can tell you something that, uh- Jeff Kidd Where'd it go? Paul Engin ...was interesting, and we're gonna touch on this a little bit, was that, um, they're talking about all the g- um, gaming layoffs.The, um- Jeff Kidd Oh yeah, like at Bungie and Microsoft Paul Engin ...at Bungie and Microsoft and, uh- Jeff Kidd Where'd my...Let's go Paul Engin It was interesting.I saw a video on why this year- Jeff Kidd It was like 3,200 jobs or whatever Paul Engin ...Oh, yeah, thousands and tens of thousands of jobs have been lost in the last several weeks. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Paul Engin And, um, and it's interesting because you can see it, and you know what they, they related it all to... And this could be completely off, but try to follow my trail or, or tell me, "Paul, you are crazy." Jeff Kidd Oh, I found it.Okay. Paul Engin It starts with all the memory issues that we're running into, and I'm like, "Memory issues we're running into?" Jeff Kidd So you're talking about RAM and- Paul Engin RAM, yeah.And, uh, and so what they said is, um, picture a PlayStation requiring one RAM chip, okay? Jeff Kidd Oh, I think I saw this comparison. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd Go ahead.Yeah, yeah, yeah. Paul Engin And, um, and so the cost of building that goes up, but if a RAM company is, like, supplying RAM, do you give it to a PlayStation or do you give it to a data center that has a magnitude of almost 100 times the RAM that's needed for that PlayStation? And so if they had to allocate money for building RAM, does it go... Where do, where do you allocate that? Because they're, they don't have enough, oop, they don't have enough, um, manufacturing capabilities right now to accommodate everybody. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Paul Engin So they f- their, their business model is, "We can make $100 here, or we can make 100 million here, and let's, let's go toward that 100 million," which is the data centers. So what's happening is that less PlayStations are being built, less need for building a new PlayStation 6- Jeff Kidd Mm-hmm Paul Engin ...or Xbox- Jeff Kidd Mm-hmm Paul Engin ...the, a new Xbox, and so they have all the same old platforms still.And so there aren't new titles being built for a new system that's being built. Jeff Kidd So not for a new system, but you're gonna need, like, Final Fantasy 57, and you're gonna need NBA 2K27 or whatever.So new game- There's still space for new games. Paul Engin New...Yes, but usually what they do is they do, when the new systems come out, they need an entire new graphics- Jeff Kidd Oh, yeah Paul Engin ...need higher- Jeff Kidd I see, I see, the infrastructure Paul Engin ... so the infrastructure. So all of these, "Okay, we're gonna do higher resolution models. We're gonna do all of these things that are revamped and updated," versus, "All right, well, it's, we're gonna use the same models. We're just gonna... The engine's already there. We're not gonna... We don't need to do anything new with the engine." Jeff Kidd Yeah. Paul Engin "No new user interface, no..." So, and it was funny when you saw this correlation, and even, um, I think they said Samsung, Micron, and there was one other company that does RAM.Really- Jeff Kidd Mm-hmm Paul Engin ...those are the three- Jeff Kidd Yeah Paul Engin ...largest manufacturers.And, um, and they said that, um, one of these companies actually cut their consumer, like- Jeff Kidd Mm-hmm.Microsoft did.Crucial. Paul Engin Their, their consumer RAM. Jeff Kidd Microsoft owns Crucial, I think. Paul Engin Oh, is that why Crucial- Jeff Kidd And yeah, Crucial, um, is not making consumer memory anymore. Paul Engin So it's only going to these things because- Jeff Kidd It's only going data- to data centers.Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron. Paul Engin Okay.There it is.Thank you. Jeff Kidd The three of them, yes. Dave Ghidiu And they're building Micron in Syracuse, our next-door neighbor. Paul Engin Yeah, which is, uh, which is awesome.I'm thinking to myself, that is the issue, and it was like, oh my gosh, it's...What are your thoughts on that?I don't know. Dave Ghidiu I thought you were gonna say you were thinking of organizing a heist from Micron- ...so we can get RAM. Paul Engin It, it's, it's close by. Dave Ghidiu It's, oh, come on, guys. Jeff Kidd In Syracuse.Yeah, yeah, yeah. Paul Engin But, um, that will lead to other things that you're gonna probably talk about. Jeff Kidd Yeah, we'll talk kind of a, a little bit, yeah. Paul Engin Um, but it was just a interesting...You saw that- Jeff Kidd Yes, it was.Yes, it was.So you...A PlayStation, right, costs this much, and then they wanna order X amount of PlayStations.Or you cater to here's, uh, um, a- Dave Ghidiu A data center Jeff Kidd ...an, an AI computer.But you don't buy a single one of those.You buy a cluster.So and then in that cluster, you get a rack of this, and then you can't just buy one, so you buy all- Paul Engin Yeah Jeff Kidd ...these different ones.So yes.It's like, the, the, rather than s- you know, you know, and that equivalent in PlayStations is, like, millions of PlayStations or something like that. Paul Engin Yeah, it was, it was something like, yeah, they... Jeff Kidd In order to make up the difference to- Paul Engin They would have to sell- Jeff Kidd Like, yeah Paul Engin ...like, like, 350 million. Jeff Kidd Yeah, it was an insane amount of PlayStations- Dave Ghidiu Probably like- Jeff Kidd ...to, to make that kind of money Dave Ghidiu ... 10 or 15 years ago, I'll have to see if I can find this article, I read about these researchers, I think in somewhere in out west, like in Arizona maybe. They clustered together a whole bunch of PlayStations 'cause the chips were so pop- Jeff Kidd Play, PS3 Dave Ghidiu ...Oh yeah, they made super computers. Jeff Kidd It was PS3. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, the PS3. Jeff Kidd Yep. Dave Ghidiu And so now we're on the opposite end of that. Paul Engin Well, that, that was the same thing with Xbox.They...It spent...The, the Xboxes were more powerful than the computers that were being sold- Jeff Kidd Yeah Paul Engin ...because of all the processing power that they had.But yeah. Dave Ghidiu Do, every single PlayStation and Xbox that's ever been sold, with the exception I think of PlayStation 5, costs more to make than it did to buy. Jeff Kidd Yes. Dave Ghidiu It was a loss leader for the games. Jeff Kidd It's always...Yeah. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd Systems have always been a loss. Dave Ghidiu So, like, a part of me is like, well, maybe this is a case for cloud computing.I- I- And, and Google- Jeff Kidd Yeah Dave Ghidiu ... Stadia went out of business a while ago, but, uh, Nvidia, uh, GeForce X or whatever Go is still around. And I'm like, well, if you can't get a device, but we have the capacity to... We have data centers, maybe cloud gaming's coming back, baby. Paul Engin Yeah.A lot of...I don't know. Jeff Kidd Yeah, I don't know.I don't- Dave Ghidiu 'Cause see, now they're putting limits on the cloud gaming.It's like you can only use the service for so long. Paul Engin Yeah, because they need to allocate it. Dave Ghidiu 'Cause they need it, yeah. Paul Engin All right. Jeff Kidd Yeah, I don't know. Paul Engin And I know that video game purists, like, scoff at cloud gaming. Jeff Kidd I don't personally have a problem with it, 'cause to me it's kind of like you can't, you know...It's not, it's still expensive, but you...$1,500 just for a graphics card to play a game, that's crazy. Dave Ghidiu Mm. Paul Engin So- Jeff Kidd Or pay $20 a month to be able to access that kind of hardware. Dave Ghidiu It's the Netflix model.I like it. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Paul Engin So I agree.I, I'm, I'm wondering if this is the death of, of, uh, consoles.And is everything gonna be online? Jeff Kidd So- Paul Engin Because HTML5 is becoming so robust now. Jeff Kidd Yeah.I- and that- Paul Engin I don't know. Jeff Kidd Well, the PlayStation ...So every- after we had that conversation about how, you know- Paul Engin The next- Jeff Kidd ... the Xbox is gonna, you know, maybe do disks and PlayStation c- right after that, then the network went down. And you ... So if you only own digital copies of those games, you can't play them 'cause the PlayStation network is down. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd So that, then now what do you do? Dave Ghidiu Just go, go outside. Jeff Kidd Yeah, yeah, touch grass.But that's the saying, to touch grass, right? Paul Engin Yeah.But I, I don't know.In about two or three years, I would not be surprised if HTML5 graphics- Jeff Kidd Ooh Paul Engin ...are comparable to what we're seeing- Jeff Kidd On like an Unreal Engine? Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu We're getting there.And, and, and I will s- like the projections- Paul Engin I don't know Dave Ghidiu ...for the RAM apocalypse doesn't look good until about 2030.That's when- Jeff Kidd Yeah Dave Ghidiu ...we'll, supply will eventually meet up with demand. Paul Engin That's crazy. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin I don't- Jeff Kidd I don't even ...I, I, I don't know. Paul Engin I don't know.What do you ...PlayStation, I mean, like- Jeff Kidd I'm an Xbox person anyway, but that's ...But I've been a p- I've been building PCs for myself forever. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Jeff Kidd And it's sad. It's more just sad that I can't ... I mean, I don't need to do anything. My computer's fine, and I'm thankful for that, but it's just sad. Like, you know, it ... Other, other industries that, that this, that building computers supports, like motherboards, power supplies, like they're all hurting too. 'Cause why buy a new- Dave Ghidiu Sure Jeff Kidd ...motherboard with memory, for memory that you can't afford? Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu And this has been ...Like, you talked about the price of computers for back to school.It's like, it's not getting good. Jeff Kidd Yes.No, it's not. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Not by a long shot. Paul Engin All right, we gotta move on. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Paul Engin I'm sorry.I, I digressed us.Uh- Jeff Kidd No, that's, it ...Yeah, yeah. Dave Ghidiu Thanks, Paul. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd But that's interesting. You know, that's really interesting. So my, my topic is Nintendo is, what, sued the government to, uh ... Once, once the, um, federal government said that nope, the tariffs are illegal, Nintendo sued the US government and won. So the, so all these big tech companies, not just Nintendo, are getting all that tariff money back, you know, $600 million Amazon, two, two, $2 million to, or $2 billion to Apple and Nintendo, all that stuff. So now there's, there ap- there's a couple people that are suing Nintendo to try to get that money back. Dave Ghidiu Oh, like customers? Jeff Kidd Yeah, the customers too, Nintendo customers, uh, filed a, a, a class action lawsuit against Nintendo to say, "Okay, we paid that money. Uh, you got that money back. We should get that. Now it sh- should go back to us." Paul Engin Right.It's a, it's supposed to not affect the consumer- Jeff Kidd Right Paul Engin ...but it's affecting the consumer. Jeff Kidd You raised the c- yes, you raised the, you raised your prices to offset the cost of those tariffs.Now you got that money back.We should get that money back too because you- Paul Engin You still have our money- Jeff Kidd You s- you st- Paul Engin ...and you got the money back Jeff Kidd ...and you got the tariff money.Yeah, yeah. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd And I totally agree with that. Paul Engin Interesting. Jeff Kidd How, I don't know how you do that, how you distribute that necessarily.Like, do you ...You know, I bought a Switch, but I didn't pay for that tariff.So I guess you'd have to go back and- Paul Engin In the window when the tariffs were issued- Jeff Kidd When ...Yeah, right Paul Engin ...and the price went up.Yeah. Jeff Kidd But from Nintendo's perspective, it's like, "Well, you agreed.Y- you bought it.You paid for that." Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd "You agreed to this price." Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd "So, and you paid for it, so why do we owe you that money?" But- Dave Ghidiu But, but why ... And, and the tariffs did, uh, come, come as a surprise to a lot of manufacturers. So they had already paid to be like, "Hey, this needs to be shipped here," and then as it was being shipped, the tariffs came in place. So like that was an unexpected, um, cost. Uh, but I do wonder about the downstream effects. So like let's say that they win, and I don't know that they will. Does this mean that like every purchase I made from Amazon that was affected by a tariff, now Amazon has to go through and figure out how much of each purchase? So I, I, I don't know. But I, I agree, like, um ... And by the way, it couldn't have happened to a nicer company. I actually really like Nintendo. Like, what? Jeff Kidd You like Nintendo? Dave Ghidiu I think that they are very family forward.I think that their human computer interface has- Jeff Kidd Oh Dave Ghidiu ...always been cutting edge. Paul Engin Yes. Dave Ghidiu I think that their, um, IP is really, really good.I ...Listen, go after Amazon.Don't go after Nintendo. Jeff Kidd Well, okay, so a- as a consumer of Nintendo, um, and you know, like you ...Like, there are streamers out there.There, there, there are- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Jeff Kidd ...people that have got, been partnered with, with Nintendo, and like they mod the game or something like that. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd And then they show that.And like, "Oh, look what I did, you know, for the Zelda game.I put all this random stuff there." And then the boom, they're just cut off. Paul Engin Yeah.They, they v- are very protective of their IP. Dave Ghidiu Yeah.It, I get that.I'm protective of my IP. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd It's just like- Dave Ghidiu And- Jeff Kidd ...and they, and they go after people just showing gameplay of stuff. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd Like, you can't show ...You, you can't play g- play our games on live or, you know, stuff like that.Like, it's like, really? Dave Ghidiu No, that's fair. Jeff Kidd It's free advert- like, they're, it's, they're advertising for you.So I don't know.It's, in some ways they're a monopoly, in other ways- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin I, I see both point of v- points of views. Like, their, their usability or their- ... their user interaction when they came up with the Wii controllers was phenomenal. Even the Switch, the logic of taking it apart and- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ...having the controls- Dave Ghidiu Right Paul Engin ... and then putting it back in, and mount- like that little screen can just dock and you get it on the big screen, and you can share. Like, they thought of the user experience more so than I think the ... And I'll say just Xbox and PlaySta- Station- Dave Ghidiu Sure Paul Engin ...have in the past.Um- Jeff Kidd They served an, they served a consumer base that had never been served o- otherwise. Dave Ghidiu Well, um, yeah, and it goes back, like the Power Pad, the Power Glove, the Virtual Boy, the, the Zapper, the- Paul Engin The Game Boy Dave Ghidiu ...the Game Boy, the um, the Wii, which I think was probably their breakthrough. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Jeff Kidd Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Uh, i- it's just like one thing after another.They've just done so many inter...I, I, I love that part of Nintendo. Jeff Kidd But you know, I would say m- my feeling about the whole tariff thing is like if you were hurting, then yeah, keep the money.These companies are not hurting.Nintendo's not hurting.They're making- Dave Ghidiu Right Jeff Kidd ...record proference, profits. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Jeff Kidd You know, you know, just do, just do the right thing. Be nice. Just, you know? And, and if they were smart ... Oh my God, I just thought of this. Holy cow. Be like, "Hey, um, w- here's $16 on your Nintendo account." Dave Ghidiu Oh, yeah. Jeff Kidd So now- Dave Ghidiu And then you have to spend another three or four dollars to- Jeff Kidd Then you have ... Then you spend that on another ... You spend, you know, $50 on it 'cause now games are $80. So it's like you're actually incentivizing people to spend money back to your own company that way. Dave Ghidiu Yeah.What, what, what's that? Jeff Kidd Anyway. Dave Ghidiu Nintendo, if you're listening, now you owe Jeff $1 for every transaction- Based on that, uh, paradigm. Paul Engin Listen, I bought my Switch 2 at launch, uh, so I did not have to worry about the tariffs. Dave Ghidiu Um, I have one, one more piece. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu The, uh...So I typically install the, the web apps of, say, ChatGPT or Gemini or Claude on my computer. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu Which means you just go to the website and you save the website. It's not the actual app. But, uh, it has come to my attention that actually if you install the apps specifically for ChatGPT and Gemini, you get more functionality than you would through the web interface. So I'm now installing those apps on my Neo. Paul Engin Because in your Chromebook could you install those apps? Dave Ghidiu Yes, because Claude has a Linux one and I can install that on- Paul Engin Oh.Wait, Claude?But you're...Are you...Oh, you, you're saying Claude or are you saying open- Dave Ghidiu I'm saying all three of them.I, I actually don't know if th- ChatGPT has a, a Linux version of it yet. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu Um, but the Gemini, because Google's so web forward, almost all functionality in Gemini is already- Paul Engin Web-based. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Um, so. Paul Engin Yeah, and I'll...And, um, with ChatGPT, I was telling you about this earlier, I didn't realize it, so I was using...I've been using the desktop- Dave Ghidiu Mm-hmm Paul Engin ... application for a while, and I kept reading about all these integrations and Codex integrated and this and that. And I'm looking through the interface, I'm like, "I don't know what they're talking about. I just updated this app- ... and I still don't see it. I don't know what..." And I go and I'm looking at the videos and I, I... Nowhere does it tell you that if you have the old ChatGPT, it's called now ChatGPT Classic. Dave Ghidiu Classic.I know. Paul Engin And you have to download a new one that's just ChatGPT. Dave Ghidiu Th- that's why I don't like the app ecosystem. Paul Engin I... And you were even telling me, now I can uninstall Codex. I mean, I just literally installed it this weekend, but, um, now I have the latest ChatGPT desktop. So if you're out there, just be aware that there are two desktop applications. It's a little confusing. It's ChatGPT Classic, and now it's just ChatGPT. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin So, um, have you had to...Have you used it at all yet or- Dave Ghidiu I just downloaded them this morning. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, I haven't used, uh- Paul Engin ChatGPT yet.I've been using Classic. Dave Ghidiu I've been stuck on Classic.You...And you saying that just reminded me, I'm doing it right now. Paul Engin Downloading- Dave Ghidiu I gotta get the re- Paul Engin ...ChatGPT, the updated, uh- Dave Ghidiu Regulated, up- yeah Paul Engin ... yeah. Um, I don't know why they didn't just update... Oh, I think they... I, I did read somewhere that they did it for, um, companies that have integrated or something the, the Class- the original ChatGPT. Um, 'cause I, I couldn't figure out why they have the Classic. Um, all right, you got an- another one, Dave? Dave Ghidiu I, I think I could talk forever, but, uh, I think we're probably running out of time. Paul Engin What was the...So you said you put Linux on your Chromebook.I'm totally- Dave Ghidiu It, it comes with it.Yeah. Paul Engin But it came with that or- Dave Ghidiu Yeah, it comes with Linux. Paul Engin Oh, okay.I thought it was Ch- Chrome OS. Dave Ghidiu It is Chrome OS, which is based on a Linux kernel, so... But there's a button. Like, if you go into settings, they're like, "Hey, do you wanna in- do you... If you click this button, you can get a full Linux, um, like the Linux environment." So now, like I can install like GIMP.I've installed, um, all sorts of Linux apps right on my Chromebook. Paul Engin Oh, that's helpful. Jeff Kidd Without having to like wipe it and like reinstall. Dave Ghidiu Nope, there's a button. Jeff Kidd Oh. Dave Ghidiu That's...So tune in for the episode where I will convince- Paul Engin You will- Dave Ghidiu ...you guys to buy a Chromebook. Jeff Kidd Have you...Do you use Linux?Have you ever done Linux? Paul Engin Yeah, I do.So with, uh...I used to do Linux a long time ago when it was with Red Hat, and then, uh, with the Spark system, it's all Linux-based.So- Jeff Kidd I've never done it. Dave Ghidiu So in Linux, like...And, and I just wanna give like manage expectations.When we think of Linux, we're like, "Oh, yeah, it's like all text-based and you have to like go through the-" Jeff Kidd No, I didn't think that. Dave Ghidiu But it, I mean, I could- Paul Engin They have tons of desktops now. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, like Ubuntu.Ubuntu is like- Jeff Kidd Ubuntu, I've heard of that.Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Like, and I could put that on someone else's computer, and they probably wouldn't even notice the difference between that and Windows. Jeff Kidd So what's the point of all the different versions then? Dave Ghidiu It, it's open source.Uh, and like Kali Linux comes preloaded with- Jeff Kidd It's probably a whole topic, but- Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Yeah.So they, you can come with different software bundles.You can have like optimizations, different drivers, stuff like that. Paul Engin Yeah. Jeff Kidd Interesting. Paul Engin And then they can add...And, and like with Red Hat, it was used for bigger servers, so they had a stronger infrastructure base for that stuff and, um- Jeff Kidd Okay Paul Engin ...yeah. Jeff Kidd So it's like different operating systems depending on what your needs are. Paul Engin I, I almost equate it- Jeff Kidd Sort of Paul Engin ...to Android phones.Like whoever's developing the Android phones comes up with their own flavor of Android. Dave Ghidiu Yeah.So the base code is the same, but then there's all slight differences. Paul Engin Slight derivatives.So, um, well, that's all the time we have for today.Thanks you again, J- thanks you. Jeff Kidd Thanks you. Dave Ghidiu Thanks you. Paul Engin Yeah, thanks you. Jeff Kidd Thanks you. Dave Ghidiu Thanks you. Paul Engin Yeah. Thank you, Hugh, for, uh, engineering, and thanks again, Jeff, for, uh, coming on. Um, I think we are gonna do a Chromebook special where, uh, uh, we might have you on again so he can try to sell us on, on Chromebooks. Um, but that's all the time for today, and I am Paul Engen. Dave Ghidiu I'm Dave Gedu.If you enjoyed the conversation today, please be sure to smash and smash again that subscribe and like button so you never miss an episode.Let's be careful out there, folks. Paul Engin And share it with a friend or colleague or enemy.Until next time, stay curious, stay connected, and thanks for looking through the immersive lens with us. Dave Ghidiu This episode was engineered by Hugh Laird.Thank you. Paul Engin Thank you, Hugh.Thank you, Jeff, for coming. Jeff Kidd Thank you, Hugh. Paul Engin Um, recorded at Finger Lakes Community College Podcast Studios, located in beautiful Canandaigua, New York, in the heart of the Finger Lakes region, offering more than 55 degrees, certificates, microcredentials, and workforce training programs. Dave Ghidiu Thank you to Public Relations and Communications, Marketing, and the FLX AI Hub. Paul Engin You get it done this session.Discover exciting and immersive opportunities.Is a C- is this a real URL, paul.flcc.jeff? Dave Ghidiu There's only one way to find out. Paul Engin Oh, boy. Jeff Kidd I'm gonna click it. Paul Engin You clicked it? Jeff Kidd Click it.No, I will. Paul Engin Okay. Jeff Kidd Oh, it just takes you to the college.Okay. Paul Engin All right.Uh, www.flcc.edu. Dave Ghidiu As part of our mission to, uh, help people at FLCC and help the community, we are committed to making education accessible, innovative, and aligned with the needs of both learners and employers. Paul Engin Jeff, you know you're not supposed to click on random links like that.Okay? Jeff Kidd Oh, yeah. Paul Engin You gotta check, uh- Jeff Kidd I hovered over it Paul Engin ...phishing. Jeff Kidd I didn't click.Yeah. Paul Engin Okay.All right. Jeff Kidd Then I clicked it. Paul Engin The views expressed in this podcast are those of the host guests and do not necessarily reflect, reflect the official position of Finger Lakes Community College. Dave Ghidiu Music by Den from Pixabay. Paul Engin This is The Immersive Lens.
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