The Immersive Lens Podcast

Paul Engin | Dave Ghidiu | Jeff Kidd

Episode 18: Educator's Journey

 

As AI transitions from a novelty to an everyday utility, the conversation shifts from what the technology is to how it seamlessly integrates into our workflows and classrooms. In this episode of The Immersive Lens, the focus is squarely on practical AI adoption and the idea that this technology lowers the floor for entry while raising the ceiling for innovation. From streamlining lesson planning and auto-editing video disfluencies to analyzing massive spreadsheets in seconds, practical AI is changing how professionals and students tackle daily challenges, making specialized knowledge more accessible than ever before.

Paul Engin brings his enthusiasm for spatial tech, experimenting with 3D Gaussian splatting on his smartphone, while Dave Ghidiu shares his cautious but evolving tech journey, including a surprising switch from his beloved Chromebook to a Mac, and the hurdles of using AI for interior design without the right vocabulary. Joined by FLCC Assistant Professor Paige LaBarr, the trio concludes that mastering AI isn't about replacing human expertise, but rather augmenting it. The ultimate verdict is that curiosity and hands-on experimentation are key; whether identifying a rare bird or coding an application from scratch, leveraging AI effectively still requires a human in the loop to guide the prompts and validate the results.




Key Topics

The "Vibe Coding" Revolution: Writing code is no longer restricted to traditional syntax; users can now leverage tools like GitHub Codespaces paired with large language models to code using natural English. This approach, often referred to as vibe coding, accelerates development and allows creators to rapidly build applications without getting bogged down by traditional programming barriers.

Lowering the Floor and Raising the Ceiling: AI acts as a dynamic differentiator in educational spaces, giving struggling learners access to personalized tutors while providing advanced students with infinite avenues for complex problem-solving. By removing the shame of asking questions and allowing for endless, open-ended exploration, these tools make complex subjects highly approachable and customizable.

Reclaiming Time with Strategic Automation: Adopting new tech shouldn't just add to your workload; it must actively take tedious tasks off your plate to be truly valuable. Whether it is using Microsoft Copilot to summarize a year's worth of professional development data or letting Google Vids automatically edit out awkward audio pauses, strategic AI use is about aggressive time-saving.

Prompting Requires Domain Expertise: Even the most advanced generative models can miss the mark if the user lacks the specific vocabulary to guide the output. As demonstrated by attempts to generate interior design concepts, AI is a powerful assistant but still heavily relies on human knowledge and precise language to produce truly useful and accurate results.





Transcript

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Dave Ghidiu i'll slate the audio Do you see Is the audio going All right

Paul Engin Welcome to the Immersive Lens the podcast exploring the technologies reshaping how we live work and learn From AI and virtual reality to creative media and design we're diving into the tools and ideas shaping our connected world My name is Paul Engin Join us as we uncover the people and ideas driving the next wave of interactive experiences

Dave Ghidiu And I'm Dave Ghidiu This is the immersive lens

Paul Engin Well Dave uh a few things Uh first uh let's introduce our special guest and then let's get into how you're liking your laptop What do you think about that

Dave Ghidiu I think that's a fine plan So uh we're joined here by Paige LaBarr assistant professor of computer science Thank you for coming

Paige LaBarr Thanks for having me today

Paul Engin Um so usually when we start off we uh like to kind of do a hot take and uh I don't know if you're aware but Dave just got a new Mac computer Um and uh you have to tell people

Paige LaBarr Paul I'm proud of him

Paul Engin You're proud of And you know what He hasn't pulled out the Chromebook So I want to know

Dave Ghidiu I didn't even bring it today

Paul Engin You didn't bring it to school

Dave Ghidiu I didn't bring it to school This is how I test technology

Paul Engin So you're Oh well everything is cloud-based for you right now So you are still using everything cloud-based for the most part

Dave Ghidiu I did install some software Uh most notably u I installed which is for running local models I installed Google actually has this really cool thing you can run on your phone called Google Edge Gallery for AI and you can run small models on your phone I installed Claude so I can do co-work I installed Affinity so I can do uh some kind of video and I'm sorry design I installed Visual Studio Code Visual Studio Code and I installed Adobe Acrobat because I need to parse some PDFs

Paul Engin Awesome And and thoughts first week of it

Dave Ghidiu I I I like it a lot I love the gestures I spent some time customizing the gestures Uh so it works with me I installed some web apps and I actually left them in the I don't know what this called The the bar at the bottom The dock

Paul Engin The dock

Dave Ghidiu Thank you So I left the Apple ones so you can see the Apple ones and then the the Googleized versions next to it So like Google Calendar is next to the regular calendar Uh Google Keep is next to the reminders or whatever So I'm going through and kind of figuring out exactly what I need what I don't need and then uh but overall I love it Love the gestures Battery life is fantastic I was telling Jeff earlier I had to buy I had to buy a case for it and I bought an HDMI splitter for my ultra wide monitor at home so I can toggle between them and I have Bluetooth devices So the uh I'm I'm zeroing in on the perfect setup

Paul Engin Nice Nice And you know the dock can be moved to the left to the bottom to the right On you can put make it a genie mode You can hide it so like it can zoom in and out

Dave Ghidiu Well that So I've only had it for two days but it feels like a month and I love it

Paul Engin Awesome Yeah So what's what's your hot take

Paige LaBarr Um so I also you sent that link for the um AI

Dave Ghidiu Oh the Google edge

Paige LaBarr and I put it on my phone and I started using the smaller model right now but I haven't done anything other than ask it a few questions to see how fast it responds and it it responded pretty quick

Dave Ghidiu Yeah So the Gemma 4 also just came out kind of at the same time And Gemma 4 is the the Gemini model that's open so you can run it on your phone And the reason they call it Edge is because those are edge computing devices which are kind of like not in the cloud

Paige LaBarr Gotcha Great for preppers

Paul Engin And then um the other thing I did is I downloaded because I so I'm going to geek out here Maybe you could appreciate this Um you're in good company page Gauian Splat

Paige LaBarr Okay Nope

Paul Engin You're in the wrong room Gausian splat All right So uh we I talked about the Oculus and doing a scan of the studio upstairs in 3D and it does it in what's known as gausian splat and um so so I'm so I geeked out about this so what it is is it takes dots or points in the space and it there's a algorithm called gauian for creating blurs so like in Photoshop there's a gauian blur in the tools and there's a lot of tools that use this algorithm and it creates a blur and so it's basically taking these dots and making blurred 3D versions of them And then because it's blurred they blend together all of these dots So you can get a very accurate depiction And it knows its location in the room physically So when you move around it the lights change It's not baking in all the the lights and the shadows And um so to make a long story short I was like "Okay well I want to try to bring this over." So I I downloaded something called the Scanverse on my on your iPhone On my iPhone and um and this you were talking about this because you did that with the the the studio our studio cuz I want to try to get a VR representation of it Um but yeah so now you can you can do splats with uh just

Dave Ghidiu I can with your iPhone

Paul Engin Yeah Here I'll do this I'll do a quick splat with this Um well we'll see how this works It may not like it

Dave Ghidiu Paul right now is taking a Gaussian splat of his coffee mug

Paul Engin I'm trying I'm trying

Dave Ghidiu Is this telling you when to turn this or are you just choosing to

Paul Engin I'm I'm just turning it right now I probably messed it up Yeah I think I messed it up because I need to move I don't think I can move it

Dave Ghidiu Oh you need like a lazy Susan or something

Paul Engin Yeah Or I need to move around it Yeah So um All right Move around the subject

Dave Ghidiu Hey while that's happening are you thinking about your hot take

Paige LaBarr I need to have one Any anything new that I've tried with tech It doesn't even have to be tech but yeah

Paul Engin Do you see the splats by the way do you see how it's forming

Dave Ghidiu Yeah this is cool

Paul Engin Do you see it Dave

Dave Ghidiu It looks It looks kind of like a horror movie Like I can see So Paul is kind of putting his phone around the coffee mug and it looks like it's made out of like ice cream of the future like those ice cream dots And they're kind of like articulating in a way and kind of clustering together and starting to be a little bit more uh refined but it does look like um something out of like a uh horror movie

Paul Engin So it's processing now but it's going to calculate it out and then uh maybe I'll put it on as part of the video so you can see it at the end But um I thought it was a really cool technology and to think that you can do it with your LAR and your mobile phone

Dave Ghidiu Oh it l right for the the distance from the phone so it knows where each of the pixels are That's cool Um all right so holy sidetrack Wait wait What's your hot take Paige

Paige LaBarr I just use the Merlin ID app made by Cornell It's for identifying birds

Dave Ghidiu Oh

Paige LaBarr And you can identify through sound or image And I think it's one of the coolest apps I've ever used I'm so impressed with the speed and the birds can be pretty far away from you and it can still detect the audio So you told me you like left the phone out for 20 minutes

Dave Ghidiu I No 20 seconds I told you to leave it out for 20 minutes so you can get a wide variety of birds

Paige LaBarr Oh so it will capture all the birds

Dave Ghidiu Mhm

Paige LaBarr Okay cool It picks the birds like it'll show an image and give you a little description After you download the app you have to set your location so it knows what's available in your location roughly based on the time of year too So there will be a little calendar for each bird with what their peak season is You can also view a map to see where they live year round and where they are seasonally

Paul Engin But that would be an amazing app for bird watchers right

Paige LaBarr It is I went to the Mueller Field Station on Friday for a wonder walk

Dave Ghidiu walk and wonder

Paige LaBarr Yeah And a lot of the people there had way more experience than I ever have with identifying birds And I'm like you know this could I downloaded it after cuz they said that's somewhere that's a place where they'll fact check if they're not sure if they're correct So that's pretty awesome

Paul Engin Oh that's really cool

Dave Ghidiu The Mueller Field Station is an FLCC campus

Paul Engin Campus It's satellite campus kind of

Dave Ghidiu They might have a better term than that At the southern end of Scand Lake right Honey Lake

Paul Engin Honey Lake

Dave Ghidiu Thank you And it's it they just did a rena there right

Paige LaBarr Yeah in a few weeks So by the time this podcast is released it might be open but there's a new bunk house I got to see the inside of it It was nice

Dave Ghidiu How many beds is there So you can do weekends right Or overnights

Paige LaBarr Yep They have some different events coming up already Uh some are open to the public some groups can reserve the space but it's really nice I mean for someone like me I don't I don't love real camping I like cleaning I love nature I love nature but I love a nice clean shower and sleeping in a bed So I feel like this has a potential to blend both the best of both worlds

Paul Engin Cool That's awesome And what happens if there's multiple birds Do you get a list of every all the birds in yours and you and you can see them in order and then

Paige LaBarr I recorded about 20 to 30 seconds and then you can play it again and it will light up when certain birds are detected So it'll have a list

Paul Engin Oh that's

Paige LaBarr you can save the clip or you can get rid of it if it's you know I would imagine years from now when I'm a pro at this I'll be like "Oh okay I was right about that bird." And I might just delete the clip But now every time I get a unique bird I am keeping the clip just to

Dave Ghidiu You should vibe code an app that's like flashcards except audio bird calls

Paige LaBarr That's unique I'm like open to your idea on that but I'm

Dave Ghidiu Doesn't sound like it

Paige LaBarr I'm like 50% open to that idea

Paul Engin She's saying no Dave She's saying no All right So well well Paige can you just tell us a little bit about yourself

Paige LaBarr Sure I love bird apps Uh I I previously taught high school math and then got into teaching computer science

Dave Ghidiu Okay

Paige LaBarr And in that time period vibe coding really did not exist yet Sure And I mean I loved teaching it I felt like even then there were a lot of real world applications but seeing how much these tools have changed is incredible And then after that I did a few years as a school administrator at a middle school and I was an adjunct here at FLCC And now I'm here at FLCC full-time for my first year

Paul Engin All right How are you liking the computer science department I hear there are a bunch of you know awesome people

Paige LaBarr Great people Computer nerds Yeah

Paul Engin Uh so um I guess I'll ask you the first question here Um what is your must-have tool as far as AI or otherwise goes that you would use on a daily basis

Paige LaBarr I have a long list but I I'll try to get to my top five or six Okay my first three are Gemini Claude and Microsoft Copilot So that's Google Anthropic and Microsoft I would consider those tools to be competitors with each other but I use them all a little bit differently And I might say in plain language it's like choosing different friends to hang out with But I also feel like I should say these aren't friends These are just tools that can do tasks So Gemini I I really like because I find Gemini to have a lot of background knowledge Obviously the access to Google searches and other things like that Gemini is very creative I I really love Claude for projects and if you want to do some long-term planning I think Claude has been the best for content creation for courses that have some content that is more challenging and not just at the intro level anymore And now that I'm sitting here talking about this I I really don't think I've ever seen Claude make a content mistake Maybe sometimes there's a better way to teach something but I don't think I've ever seen an actual error in content knowledge

Dave Ghidiu I was just thinking that that the the job of supervisor has gone with Claude at least from supervising make sure there aren't mistakes But now using your experience being like oh this is good but you know what would make it better So I I enjoy that and I'm I'm glad to hear that you had made that realization

Paul Engin Tell us what you do with Copilot

Paige LaBarr So Cop-ilot of all the tools that I have in my list was probably my least favorite AI tool when I first started using it Like my first experience I typed in a couple prompts and thought "This was awful and I'm never going to use this again." So I and I say that to give credit to Microsoft for improving the product but I have found one a lot of institutions use it with a license so it can keep your data more safe than some of these other tools where you're just storing something maybe anywhere with anyone's access But I've my most recent use of co-pilot that surprised me was for uh people that are on a tenure track here We have to keep track of all of our professional learning and we have to upload it into this platform called watermark And I spent a lot of time putting so someone said keep track of your PD but I just put it in an Excel spreadsheet professional development professional learning workshops Um and then I realized in one day I have not put any of this into watermark It's all in a spreadsheet So I need to put it into watermark And then this was shortly after Spotify Wrapped came out So Spotify wrapped is when you can see your year and review of listening to things on Spotify which Apple Music now has a music and review or some other similar name But I thought what if I had a watermark wrapped where I could see all of my learning for the year and what were the themes what are my areas of growth So I took my spreadsheet and I uploaded it into Microsoft Copilot and said "Give me my year and review for professional learning." and it gave me a slideshow that it answered a lot of the things I had in mind What were my hot topics of the year which were AI and accessibility That did not surprise me But then it looked at the presenters and it ranked who did I spend the most time with And then some of the sessions I provided more info around descriptions but it had these are things that you've spent a lot of time on Maybe you could consider leading in some of those areas And then sometimes it said on another slide here are some things that are current hot topics that you did not have learning in So look for this in the future Some of those were relevant you know accessibility you did this and this but maybe try that And I just thought wow I could have spent hours analyzing that spreadsheet to make some bar graphs and it just gave me information instantly

Paul Engin And it gave you suggestions for where to look at in the future like for next year or that's awesome That's really great And I It's interesting because Copilot is one of those I I told Dave this I think it's a sleeper It's one of those like it's integrated into all the platforms that most businesses use So it could easily turn into Gemini in some regards because it's already integrated into that Um and going back to Gemini I don't know if you guys saw this commercial that they just posted this like yesterday but it had a thing that said Gemini can do this Order me a cup of coffee or something like that And you know what it says And I want to see your both both your take on it It says you don't have to say what kind of coffee you like It will go in your email and do assessments on the type of coffee that you or you've referenced in the past And then D I'm like all right See this is the problem with Gemini is that you're allowing them to go through all of your emails and all of your um private information And I just wanted to get both of your thoughts on that I don't know Did you see that commercial

Paige LaBarr No I haven't seen it I I'm okay with that

Paul Engin You're okay with that

Paige LaBarr But I would love to see what the results are for me I'll I'll probably try that later only because I don't have exactly the same coffee order every time So it'd be interesting to see what my category is But I did see a different Gemini commercial this past weekend around interior design which was also really interesting because it's something that I've talked to different people about as a use of Gemini And I did wonder am I seeing this commercial on my device and is everyone else seeing the same one Or are the commercials we're seeing personalized I don't know I think we will get personalized commercials very soon if we're not getting them right now

Paul Engin And do you think though that interior design do you think it goes through your photos and it makes assessments on what type of style you like and bases on that

Paige LaBarr Maybe I don't I don't think Gemini has access to all of my photos right now But interestingly I just joined threads It's similar to Twitter and its behavior with different posts

Dave Ghidiu Is that from Meta

Paige LaBarr Meta I think So and I saw that a user on there posted I would call this maybe a side room in a house a room that doesn't really have a purpose but it's not quite big enough to be a living room It's not small enough to consider it to be a closet And so she just posted this empty room and said "What should I use this room for?" And all these different people from all over the world were responding with ideas of a plant room a reading room just a room to sit and read There were probably five or six amazing variations of that So it'll be interesting to see where that's headed

Dave Ghidiu And when I first saw that I'm like "Oh you're really going to upload a picture of a room in your house but seeing the potential for results it was neat."

Paul Engin That's really neat Yeah And that's a caution on your tail between the the privacy and security versus convenience Uh I know for Google I' and I I've been using Google for since for quite some time I trust them as a broker of my information So they never sell my name but they will give me ads that are relevant to me I mean in some ways maybe that's better than getting ads of things I don't care about Maybe it's not So it's it's like another circle I can't square but I know that you can um decide if you want to have access to say your email or not

Dave Ghidiu Okay

Paul Engin Yeah It was just interesting cuz then it reminded me of the video of like oh this is a great idea to show like you know you can find dogs and then the ring Yeah And then it was like oh wait is this going to be something similar So I just wanted to get your thoughts We'll go back to it So what are the other applications You mentioned Gemini Claude uh Copilot and then do you have other apps that you

Paige LaBarr The next two are still in the Gemini neighborhood So Google Vids is a video application tool by Google that I would say in my world that's maybe 6 months old but I know for others it could be something completely brand new And if you're comfortable with using Google Slides or PowerPoint I would say it's a very simple learning curve to onboard with Google Vids because you work in scenes which are very similar to working with Slides And one of the benefits of Google Vids which I'll be curious to see what this podcast sounds like when it's done is I tend to say um and like a lot I was actually called out by a teacher in school for stop saying like every other word or the word uh and or or pauses When I record I hit record and then I wait and I make sure my face is on screen like it has

Dave Ghidiu Yeah the millennial pause It's exactly what I'm doing

Paige LaBarr I also have a millennial pause at the end of the video too which I don't think is like a term I think the pause is intended for the beginning But you can edit out all of that stuff in Google Vids And the first time I ever recorded a one minute video I think I had eight things that need to be removed And they all showed up in the transcript and I could click on a single button and remove all of those at once And then I thought I would sound extremely choppy because I just assumed that any word on the outsides of the uh would sound unnatural and it it didn't seem that way at all when I watched it after So I'm I'm very impressed with their auto captioning and the accuracy of the words There are very few spelling errors If on occasion there will be a word that's misspelled because it thinks I'm using another word that would also make sense in that sentence but the audio auto captioning is great And then I don't say um or uh in any of my published videos which is cool

Dave Ghidiu That is great I say that all the time even in these podcasts the the disfluencies Um see I said it again So Google Vids we've covered it in the past Uh we really enjoy it We like the fact that you can link to it or embed it in like the LMS And then the learning management system like Blackboard or Moodle or Yes Um Canva canvas and then you can uh just update the video and you don't need to update the link or anything It just updates dynamically

Paige LaBarr That's the other thing that's awesome So I made some vids for orientation for courses or an introduction to the midterm And I would imagine that a lot of that information will stay the same from one semester to the next but maybe there will be small details that change For example in my orientation video I say "And here are the deadlines for this semester but the deadlines are going to be different." and I don't want to re-record that whole video but I can just edit that slide and it will update anywhere that link is shown So it will save so much editing and publishing and documentation time to just have the link be live

Paul Engin Fantastic Yeah I'm thinking about converting to that too just for that reason And I'm getting away from PDF and linking it to a Google doc so this way I can just update the document as well So living together I know Apple I mean this is crazy Oh all right So uh Google Viz what's next

Paige LaBarr WebEx which I would say my views on that have evolved similar to what I said about Microsoft C-Pilot but WebEx is a video conferencing tool and so similar to something like Zoom and we use it here at the college

Dave Ghidiu Yes

Paige LaBarr And my first few uses of WebEx I just wasn't familiar with the application So you know like anything that's new you're like "Ah how do I use this?" But my last few WebEx calls I I recorded them because I needed to use them for some uh instruction in one of my online classes I wanted learners to see the video after the fact but I had recordings that were about half an hour long for each interview And I didn't want to uh print or what am I trying to say Save store yes the raw footage I wanted to clip parts of each interview and then sort them by topic and WebEx combined with Microsoft Copilot I was able to take the transcripts by timestamp and pair up like who's best to talk about which topic And then when I went to cut the footage let's say I interviewed the two of you and I said I want Paul from 9 minutes and 12 seconds.4 to 10:35 and then I want Dave in his video from a totally different timestamp The the timestamps that were listed I did no further editing I just said I want here to here and I watched it and I'm like "Okay good to go It's awesome." And then my last example is GitHub and Gemini So we're back to Gemini again but GitHub is a website that you can use to develop software It has a lot of tools for documentation It's something that we use in a lot of our introduction to programming courses And you can now use AI inside of the development environment there So Gemini Chat GPT Claude those tools can be built in And I've started to use Gemini and GitHub together for vibe coding where I'm just writing in English And that's been really fun to be able to write code faster and I would say better at times for any reason I want

Paul Engin So do you use because I I was using this GitHub and it had co-pilot like you have to buy a subscription to co-pilot and then um it ties in and I maybe I was asking for too much of a robust platform that I was building but um I got done with my monthly token allocation I think within a half hour of using it in co-pilot GitHub Um are you using that or are you using uh like GitHub locally and then on Visual Studio you're using Gemini

Paige LaBarr I use GitHub code spaces So the development itself is in a browser but I'm not using GitHub copilot So the AI portion of that is powered by either Gemini or Claude Okay Or potentially something else There's so many this is an interesting topic because there's so many combinations of how you can develop that it's almost not almost it is overwhelming to have over 300 uh large language models to choose from and not know which one is necessarily the best

Dave Ghidiu Yeah I I agree I'm I'm always trying to like go one way or the other and we talked about this in the in another podcast but identifying what works for some things and then kind of shifting and figuring out what what you gravitate toward

Paul Engin Um so uh very good So we got Gemini Claude Microsoft Copilot Google Vids Webex GitHub with a little bit of Gemini love um as far as the repository for the coding and the vibe coding right Awesome With that and WebEx uh I know it's interesting because a lot of people just use WebEx for uh one aspect but I record all my lectures I upload it put a link to it so the students can see it And uh they even have little plugins where you can do video casts from your video right on uh WebEx And you can do chats you can set up meetings you can do white So there's a lot more to WebEx than just that one aspect You could do polling Um so lots of different things you can do with it I know I even get messages from people like a instant message

Dave Ghidiu Uh yeah They have their own instant messaging system

Paul Engin Yeah And I'm like "Oh my gosh I got to have this open more." Yeah

Dave Ghidiu Well I'll tell you what I hate about that is that's the only app messaging app on my phone where it won't capitalize first letter automatically when I start typing Yes I can't stand it

Paige LaBarr One other benefit of WebEx that I feel like is worth pointing out So I'm I'm new to teaching here and Carrie Brewer who's our department chair in computing sciences she has previously taught a course that I'm teaching now and she recorded all of her classes and I know 98% of the content in the course but on occasion we'll get into something that I'm like "Oh I haven't done that." One of which was setting up our online textbook It just had a lot of steps when students went to register So she recorded these 2-hour videos of class in case a student was absent And I could go into the recording and see the AI generated overview all timestamped So I knew at 1 hour and 10 minutes into this class she's going to start talking about the textbook and I could jump right to it And instead of watching her for 2 hours I watched for 11 minutes and I was ready to go with that part

Dave Ghidiu Does it have like an interface where you can ask a question and say "When does Carrie start talking about the textbook?"

Paige LaBarr I don't I honestly don't know I haven't used one if it does exist But the the summaries were really really extremely clear with what's about to happen in that segment of the video

Dave Ghidiu Cool

Paul Engin A lot of educators are still hesitant about all these tools And when you first started integrating AI into your workflow what was the moment that made you a dedicated advocate assuming you are a dedicated advocate

Paige LaBarr I think yeah I think I am now But initially I wasn't Which is why I think this is a super interesting question that I was in that group of you know what does this mean for teachers or what does this mean for academic honesty And I had one particular class of primarily seniors in high school that were extremely strong students and they would come into class with just this extra knowledge or these other questions that they had answered since the previous day And eventually one student showed me a conversation that he had with an AI tool which I think was chat GPT but I I can't visualize This was probably a few years ago early on in the AI

Dave Ghidiu Yeah it might be 2021 or two

Paige LaBarr So it was chat GPT2 probably And and I read through his whole conversation and thought wow it's like he has a personal TA that's also not disrupting the rest of the class there There's no out loud conversation And you know I'm I'm I was okay with that idea of you're going to learn all of your the side questions that are popping into your head and you can get an answer for that And that was a student that happened to be pretty advanced But then I I said "Whoa where did you learn about this?" And he said "Well my parents are using AI at work." And it turned into a few other students jumping into that conversation saying "Yeah my parents are using AI too." And they were working in different industries And in that moment I'm like whoa if we don't start talking at least talking about AI in school and then we have to get to using it we're we're doing a disservice to all the students whose parents aren't using AI at work And I was just thinking of the the equity issue that could be created just because of we're not sure how to use this or we're not sure how to get started or and at the time there really weren't even rules around how to use or not use And then as far as best practices it was there was a lot of overwhelming aspects to that So I just started using Chat GPT for myself all different reasons and I I just thought "Yeah we have to start using this at school."

Paul Engin And look at you now You're an AI expert sometimes

Dave Ghidiu You know what's interesting Last night I had uh my son was doing a history American history Sure And uh they had a 100 questions that they have to try to answer And well they have to they have a hundred that the teacher can pick from and then you have to they'll ask like 10 or 15 of those hundred and you have to verbally So it's there's no looking anything up But what I did is I said let's do this Let's take a picture of all So I took a picture of all there was like a bunch of paper I literally took a picture of all 100 questions just photos Okay And then I put it in study mode and I said I gave them

Paige LaBarr Can you explain what study mode is

Dave Ghidiu So study mode the is uh geared toward learning This is Chad GBT or Gemini Okay Yeah So it was chat GBT and I put it in study mode so it would um not give all the answers it would uh talk about uh the questions and it it be more coaching like it it coach him more with the answers and he was like it was interesting because he uses he uses uh AI but I don't know if he used it in this way before and I and um it's got a modality where you can click the button and just talk to it and you could say okay give me give me the next 10 questions and then uh it would just give the question and you verbally answer it

Paige LaBarr Oh that's

Dave Ghidiu And then um and now that I'm It's It's not connecting right now but we could we could if it connects I could do a quick see if we can answer these questions

Paul Engin But next time you're doing some kind of academic studying or or whatever you should look at Google's learnm learn

Dave Ghidiu Yep That's that's your that's your homework man

Paul Engin Man you're giving me homework already Yeah All right Um so uh was there anything else as far as AI goes regarding the um that question

Paige LaBarr I I don't think I have anything huge but I think just seeing how AI is in so many areas now I think it's totally fine to establish an opinion on your own about being anti-AII for whatever reasons you have at a personal level but to not learn about it at all I think you could set yourself up in a position to be very behind at least in the category of technology if not more Uh the other thing that came to mind which I didn't real I saw this problem but maybe not at a super conscious level until Dave brought up the SAT tutoring that was available through Gemini Yeah that's really high quality

Dave Ghidiu So you you listen to the show then Yeah

Paige LaBarr Yeah definitely But I I think similar to you know the students whose parents are using AI at work there are students whose parents work in the field of whatever it is they're learning So if you're learning math and your parent is an engineer they could probably help you with your algebra 1 homework very easily If your parent struggled in math and and just says to you I struggled in math that can develop how you feel about the subject So I think in that area of like being concerned about equity having access to AI is like having a private tutor in your pocket if we're talking about a phone or just available on a laptop which I think can really change how you feel about any subject

Dave Ghidiu I agree I think that's a great point that you can use it as a private tutoring You don't have to pay And as you know because I think you even said you you were doing SAT courses Yeah Right Um and now we can do it right on our phone Yeah Or computer I know tutors that charge 50 or 100 bucks an hour and I can do $20 a month Are you kidding me Yeah it's great You're right Or free

Paul Engin Yeah free So um considering um consider this thought about AI lowering the floor for entry and raising ceiling for innovation can you share a concrete example of what that looks like for a struggling learner

Paige LaBarr Sure I I'll share an example that hits a struggling learner's concerns academically but also that student that's so advanced that they could be bored out of their mind and just lose interest in that way So um when I started teaching teachers in the summer I worked for Project Lead the Way which is a STEM curriculum company and they're very big on the APB approach which stands for activity project problem as how they set up all of their STEM courses So they offer uh courses in computer science biomedical engineering and engineering and I wish I could say more on the specifics of engineering but I was teaching in the computer science track So they have a lot of really good materials but basically the activity project problem it will start with activities where we all do the same thing So if the three of us are students in a project lead the way classroom when we do an activity we have the same instructions we get the same results It might be how we talk about a lab and an intro to Python class here where the goal is the same for all three of us but then when we get to a project it's a little bit more open-ended And then a problem should be applying the skills from that unit

Paul Engin Interesting

Paige LaBarr But it's completely wide open So a a project that has a low floor low entry and high ceiling means that it's very accessible for everybody Every student in the room is going to be appropriately challenged and we can all incorporate our own interests even if we're using our own skills So this comment around AI can lower the floor for entry and raise the ceiling I I think it just means that it's going to make positive impacts on both ends So when it comes to differentiation I think the most common example I've heard any educator use for talking about differentiation is the complexity or the difficulty of the task Is it is this too easy for you Is this too hard for you But I've seen AI in the area of the floor and ceiling uh differentiate in so many other ways So I think one one area that we can often overlook is differentiation through choice or interest And that sometimes the bar being too high for a learner is not really their ability in the subject area it's their interest in the subject area which is then indirectly through their feeling influencing how they feel their ability is Um so I've I've used AI to get different ideas for open-ended projects for classes where I have this vision in my head of what I want learners to do And then I'll say "Here are the six skills I want a learner to use in Python or Java or whatever it is I'm teaching This is my view of the project If I was a student I want to make a project that does this but what are five other ideas that could accomplish this task with the same skills but keep it open-ended?" And then really if you're getting to that project here you're not even giving the students the choice of six different tasks It's a completely open-ended task that then they can take it in their own direction

Dave Ghidiu So really infinite choice to me that that signals the the autonomy and gives the learner kind of space to explore and not be constrained by any guard rails which I think is a lifelong skill that people need So like we're we're talking about procedural and declarative knowledge but I think this is more attitudinal knowledge that like oh I will encounter problems I don't know or can't fathom but I feel comfortable that I can now attack them Whereas before when I was growing up they were like this is the problem This is what you're going to do and this is how you're going to do it I was like okay And then I do it So this seems like it's it's it's a much more robust uh life skill

Paul Engin This is interesting the AI kind of removes that shame There was a study that was uh done for girls in coding and they had a class and they have several girls in the class that were doing coding and then at the end of the class they would look at everybody's and it seemed like several of the girls didn't do any programming but what the teacher did is do command Z command Z and they actually did a lot of coding they just didn't feel comfortable showing their coding because they didn't know It was a interesting perspective

Paige LaBarr I would also say that's an extremely common behavior around really young learners Whenever I've done a field trip into a first or second grade classroom if students are realizing there's a problem in their code it's just they have this initial reaction to delete absolutely everything and start from scratch which hey that that can be a strategy that works at times too But I think the removing shame part we would all love to say as educators like "Oh there's never shame in my classroom." Like I'm I'm always open to students that struggle But there's always more to it than that Like maybe the class discussion is on a completely different topic and you have this lower level question that you just know it's maybe not the time or place for it because it it's very off topic and it can give you a chance to say I I have this other question or sometimes you just forget information and it's it's helpful to go back and see okay the the other piece to this not necessarily shame related but going back in time at the community college level sometimes we have learners that have taken a decade off of you know the last time they saw seventh or eighth grade math that might be relevant in their program related to time of day or something of that nature It can be a quick refresher in a review course on I need to use this skill in this other program Can you walk me through how to do this And it's it's a personalized review So if you're picking up on it very quickly the questions can shift to become more difficult And if you're struggling with it you you have some time Another thing I love related to the floor just the entry level Several years ago I watched this video There's a Harvard professor that teaches a course there called CS50 which is an introduction to computer science

Dave Ghidiu I've taken it

Paige LaBarr Yeah It's a great great course if you want to learn a variety of CS skills and his name is David Men and he was interviewed by Wired magazine in this interview series they do called five levels of difficulty which by the way I remembered his interview but I could not remember the name of it and I used Claude I described the whole thing and I said please help me find this actual interview because the interview is great but he walks through the same topic which was algorithms and he explains algorithms to a child teen college student grad student an expert and I feel like you could take that same approach for learning any topic of your choice And so I I like to use this prompt with learners of explain this topic to me like I'm five Sometimes the shoe doesn't fit because you're trying to go so youre taking a an actually complex topic and you're going too far back in time You know if you're trying to learn a cyber security topic and it's like suppose you have a pair of red shoes and a pair of blue shoes and your friend walks in wearing yellow shoes It might not it might not actually translate into what it is you're trying to learn But sometimes a prompt similar to that Explain this to me like I'm a complete beginner or explain this to me like I'm interested in this and this and I have a little bit of background in that but I need to become an expert on this topic It's a great way to learn vocabulary and learn terminology before you just dive into the expert level and it can relate it to what your interest is based on your background

Dave Ghidiu I think show show explain it as it's a theme park if you're you know like roller coasters or something like that and AI will that's awesome

Paige LaBarr and I think the benefits are very similar on the upper end So you know as a teacher I'm not an expert in every field ever but my goal is that if you're writing a program in Python or Java that it can have a real application And if your application involves physics or amusement parks or whatever it is that interests you or is related to the goal of your program I probably don't know the fine print of all of that And so using AI can make sure that you're you know following what makes sense in that subject area and that you're saying things that are accurate

Dave Ghidiu Cool

Paul Engin That's excellent Paige how can school leaders genuinely support their faculty moving from AI curious to AI capable without just adding another task to their plates or fatigue uh initiative fatigue and and I'm going to preempt this question by saying like I I don't necessarily know that like this is not a judgment that people need to be AI curious or AI capable So in a world where people want to learn more about it um how can the school leader do that

Paige LaBarr I I think your question is still very ideal because I think all types of people still exist in all institutions of AI curious There's something about that term that says you're you're curious about AI and you want to learn about AI AI capable means you've got some of those skills down already but there still is that other group that does not want to learn AI that might have some very valid reasons related to their current opinion So I think uh one one aspect of your question was that this is without adding another task to their plates So I I visualize a plate of food I mean I'm personally okay with just going to get a second plate for dessert or whatever But I think if you want to say "I'm going to add this to your plate," you have to identify what it is you're taking off the plate too to say you know if this is actually going to help you how does it really help you My example for this is not AI related but this is true for me that when I was first using Microsoft OneNote which is like a notes app I think it's probably one of the best products I've ever made with live notes as a teacher you can organize your notes by chapter You can have all your notes be live That was a very hard application for me to learn And I I really don't know why because it's kind of a lot of technology I pick up very easily and I was just lost in the different ways to organize your notes and there were so many tabs and I would take notes one day and I couldn't find them the next day So I was pretty against it at first but prior to having Microsoft OneNote where your notes can be live I had to post notes for each class on a school website And if you're teaching four courses and now you have to post four sets of notes every single day It sounds very simple but printing them to PDF from some other application and then you have to log in There were just a lot of steps and it was taking me 15 minutes every single day at 3:00 when I'm that's like my prime time for like a snack or like take a lap around the building and I'm sitting there posting my notes So when I realized like hey if I learn how to use one note I don't have to struggle with posting my notes every day which is something I knew how to do It just took time I'm like "Oh one note is worth learning." And then I started learning other features in it So you just need a little bit of motivation and then you can motivate yourself when you see all the beauty of it But I think one way for school leaders to help their faculty move in that direction is in the year 2026 I'm sure there's somebody in the school doing something awesome no matter which school it is So have them showcase some of their uses And I have some different examples here Some are middle school related because I'm coming from middle school So these were done by colleagues that I've worked with The high school one is a little bit of something I did in the past with how I would do it in the future So middle school social studies there's a for any any K12 subject area there's a great tool called Magic School AI and it's intended for elementary and secondary education But there's this tool where a teacher can set up a character chatbot So I I see this being most popular in social studies but you could absolutely use this in a science course or something like that And you can upload notes about how you want this character to behave So the character could just be you know your helpful classroom tutor It could be a historical figure where the students can interview that person and get their take on different events There are a few things that I love about this One is that the teacher can control the scope of the assignment So even though there are students that love knowing every fact ever about a person you might not need to know every fact ever for the scope of what their role was in that time period or the the unit of study And I just think that's a great interactive way to review One note I wanted to have about Magic School AI's chatbot was in the past this was really presented as the persona of that character So if you said you're going to interview Albert Einstein this thing would talk to you like Albert Einstein and it was just kind of how it went But now Magic School has this whole disclaimer of things you can talk to with your class So it's clear for students at their developmental level we're talking more K12 that they're using a tool and that this is a chatbot for learning but this is not the real Albert Einstein or you are not making a friend this is not any kind of person relationship it's strictly a tool

Dave Ghidiu th this is going to be a really niche question but do you know if they did that in response to say news stories or internal research like do you know why they changed that or

Paige LaBarr I I have an article that I shared with you on blog post related to student safety and companionship and I think the gist of it is that current research and really going back to brain development and developmental appropriateness but making sure that students really understand what that tool is

Dave Ghidiu That gives me hope that these companies you know are doing the right thing And we'll we'll be sure to link to that in our show notes

Paige LaBarr Another example I have so that that example was really around being aligned to standards in a way that's interactive and fun I'll just as a side note for my first example when I was a brand new teacher staying aligned to standards was something that I struggled with because I might know the content and I might have this really fun idea but I didn't know where the start and stop was of that standard in that course for that grade level So I think that can also help with just scope in general Uh my second example is around saving time So sometimes there are skills that last for several decades but the examples So if a math teacher has a lesson where some of the examples are outdated or they're using older terms or there's a word problem that talks about floppy discs and students today that are 12 years old have no experience with floppy disc you could take an old set of word problems and just update them and say you know make these culturally relevant for a student in the year 2026 in this town Make them about Taylor Swift instead of floppy disc Sure Or maybe there's something tied to your location where they could add in some make it local local info My other example is around high school math So my my time teaching high school math I think you know there's a there are a few different books that reference math as America's least favorite subject And I'll say as a former math teacher and still am I'm I'm a math teacher at heart that it is easy to teach math in a way that's dry and in a way that leads students to how will I ever use this in real life So one of my examples was around step functions And to be totally honest with you I did not know how step functions could apply in real life the first few times I taught them A step function visually sort of looks like a staircase where the stairs aren't touching But there's some kind of increase or decrease in values and they can jump different levels And I I probably got a 100 on a test on step functions And I could not tell you how to use them in real life which is really embarrassing But I looked up how are step functions used and I found out that discounts at stores anywhere where you can go earn points with an account those are often step functions because you might have you know use earn this many points and you can save $5 or earn this many points save $10 So I started graphing the reward systems at different stores that I shopped at Steps and I found out which stores when is the time you want to use your points because sometimes it is it's a step function So it's not perfectly linear but some behave in a more linear fashion where saving up there's no benefit But it's very tempting when you're at the store if the cashier says "Hey you have $2 in store credit Do you want to spend it now?" You might need to wait a little bit and that $2 will jump to $5 and it will jump to 20 And and there are times where depending on how you're shopping and where you're shopping there there's strategy to this

Dave Ghidiu Yeah So and we've talked a little bit about surveillance pricing but I wonder if they're going to do these this like surveillance bundling Yeah And so if you're about to jump to the next level they'll really try and get you to spend it And I because I always get that because I always say you have an you have a dollar or $2 I'm like yeah just just use it Now I need this app that you're developing

Paige LaBarr Yeah So then when I I looked up more recently what are all the other ways this can be used Anytime you're using shipping and handling probably has a step function involved Parking garages phone plans So I think depending on maybe the age group you're teaching or what are the stories behind the students you're teaching or you could take a topic like this and say open up whatever the tool is that you're using as a class enter some of your interests and let's find out how step functions are relevant in your life

Dave Ghidiu Sure Very cool

Paul Engin So uh outside of work and academics what is the most surprisingly fun or creative way you've used an AI tool recently

Paige LaBarr I have a few different examples Uh one of my favorites So I already talked about the bird identification app but I I do like nature I'm just not very experienced in it You know nature's to me kind of more about just going out there and seeing how it goes But there are a lot of plants that I don't know And in January I took a trip to Amazon Spheres which is in Seattle Washington And if you're ever in Seattle go check it out

Dave Ghidiu I'm going this week

Paige LaBarr It's free but you have to book online Like you have to It's a very competitive type of You could check and see if there's any availability

Dave Ghidiu Amazon spheres

Paige LaBarr Yes So they have over 4,000 different species of plants And there was a plant there that looked like this If you'd like to provide some alt text for our listeners this is what the plant looked like

Dave Ghidiu It looks like a single helix uh or like an old phone cord that's kind of spiraled like a spring Good description

Paige LaBarr The only difference between Dave's description and the plant was that the plant was white I actually wore this this hair tie has the same appearance I I call it like a phone cord appearance Uh but this plant in I believe it's called like a colloidal suspension

Dave Ghidiu Sounds good

Paige LaBarr I I was debating with my friend that I was there with we were visiting and she said you know that's a plant and I said "No that's some man-made object That's like this is part of how this place is built That's an Amazon material That's not a plant." And she's like "No I can see green coming out of the corner of it That's definitely a plant." And I'm going "No that's that green is the plant behind it." So I took a picture of the plant and I uploaded it into Gemini and I said "Help me identify this plant." Gemini named a the non-scient scientific term has like corkcrew in its name but it brought me to a link with the scientific name so I could go read more about the plant The other thing that I found really beneficial about that is certain plants there have little plant cards where you can read the name and the the native area and where this plant does best in terms of geography and growing conditions And that was unmarked anyway which is part of the whole reason why our debate was happening But this said you know this plant grows here and here and here And it did say by the way I notice you're in Seattle so you're probably at Amazon spheres If you're in the conditions for this plant to grow and I don't know how to pronounce that if either of you want to try

Dave Ghidiu I'm not quite sure but it's a corkcrew type plant Yes I'm not on it but are you on it Are you going to try that

Paul Engin No I can't tell you It's not a colloidal suspension

Paige LaBarr Uh some other I mean interior decorating I haven't personally used I have family members that are pretty big on that right now And then this one's medical I just think it's so interesting to think about where we could go with medicine down the road So I wear the Whoop band It's currently on my wrist It's a heart rate monitor It can't record audio It just literally monitors your heart rate It does have some other functionality like your body temperature and stuff but Whoop recently started a partnership with Quest at the end of 2025 Quest is a lab where you can get blood work done Okay And in their partnership they take all of your data and combine it So your day-to-day data like your heart rate and your steps per day can now be combined with 65 different biioarkers from your blood work And it's basically in my opinion like a future of preventative healthcare And you know you can learn a lot about yourself by doing something like that and you can see trends in your own health and things where you thrive relative to your gender and age and things that you can work on And I also found it helpful because I don't know like if you don't have a current problem you might not be able to get information and so it's just a way to like be preventative with your own health

Dave Ghidiu Yeah And I wonder if you know I mean I feel fine but maybe there's something going on inside me and if I was able to track those that information like there would be enough horistical data to be like "Hey Dave you got to get this thing checked out." And which I mean this isn't going to blow your mind because we're in upstate New York and all it does is snow and rain But my vitamin D levels were ridiculously low And it had information on there as to why I mean it also pulls your location And then I'm I'm not paid by them to do an advertisement but they do have a team of six physicians that look at general patterns and trends across all users And then they have individuals that review your specific report You can see their name you can see where they're based out of and then they will put notes on there related to patterns and trends and recommendations There's still a disclaimer you know talk to your physician locally but you just have access to so much more than you would get otherwise

Paul Engin That's great data I like that I know you do Your watch and your

Paige LaBarr Yeah And that did not make your cut for your your wearables episode So I felt like I was a little bit obligated to share it as a different example

Dave Ghidiu You're here No not at all Not at all You were so mad at us that you were like I got to get on the show

Paige LaBarr But I give my summary through my watch There is a phone interface so I do get to see It's not on my wrist The other benefit to this Paul is if you need to go anywhere where they need to confiscate your screen I don't mean confiscate but let's say you're going to go to a comedy show or a concert and you need to put your phone in a pouch I think your Apple Watch has to still go in the pouch but this can stay on you because it's not recording audio or video

Dave Ghidiu Oh I gota I gota

Paul Engin speaking which Paul a lot of schools are now like flumxed with how to deal with the meta glasses that you were showcasing the other day and concerts too and like exactly what Paige said because sometimes it's not even obvious that you're wearing them and we're at the bleeding edge of it so people might not be looking for them

Dave Ghidiu Right Right That that's really interesting But I love that uh this is in conjunction with uh blood work too you said So it ties it all together I think that that's a really added benefit and I see a huge health I mean and that's what they've been pushing a lot a lot right the AI is going to help heal all of these uh ailments or these issues and they'll be able to do uh all of these studies very rapidly and everything should be expedited as far as health care and finding um solutions to a lot of problems that we still have But it's interesting step one consumerbased

Paul Engin So um now can I ask you cuz uh the interior design I mean are there free AI related apps that you've been using for that because I like I always picture like I should be able to take a picture of my living room and say make this a modern blah blah blah blah Is that

Paige LaBarr I would guess that there are some really specific two interior design applications I've just used Gemini and I've seen other people use Gemini there That threads thread that I mentioned where somebody posted you know help me update this room I read through a lot of replies to try to see if I could tell from the watermark of the image where it was generated And I mostly saw apps that I could recognize So some of the bigger ones like Gemini and there were a few that I did not recognize or didn't have a watermark which makes me think there are some other tools out there that are interior design specific

Dave Ghidiu Gaia Gaia

Paul Engin I I did use Gemini with you mediocre results Maybe I just don't know how to use AI

Paige LaBarr I also think it could be fun Maybe you know what you want to do with the room or whatever it is You could test it out because paint swatches to me and I'm saying this with someone with no formal interior design experience but it's like putting a Post-it note on your wall It's not controlling what the whole feel is going to be like after this giant project So you could say "Do I really want the whole living room to be maroon or navy blue or whatever color you're aiming for?" And you could see the result before you spend a bunch of time and money making a choice you may or may not like

Dave Ghidiu I will say this about Gemini and my bad experience with it because I I feel like I I understand AI quite a bit But I was trying to redo my office cuz I just got a new office and it came up with something that was kind of cool And I think because I don't know anything about instructional design or I'm sorry uh interior design uh I didn't use the right vocabulary but the second picture so I think I was asking the wrong question This is just another reminder that you know you need the human in the lead You need to lean on your experience And it was clear that I have no experience with with interior design or even the vocabulary because some of the stuff I was getting was really wild And I'm showing you images right now that aren't even that wild but like some of these other images were like "No one in the world would ever want a desk like this Like why are you sending it to me?" I was like "Oh it's probably because I didn't even prompt engineer properly." So this just reminder that like prompt engineering is a skill and you have to lean on your expertise

Paul Engin And I want to make a point that in the photo that Dave is showing us there's a coffee machine There's no computers There's no nothing But there is a coffee machine

Dave Ghidiu It's a curig I don't even have a curig

Paige LaBarr Well it's interesting because it looks like in that the corner of that photo there might be a door and that you can't really get to the door

Dave Ghidiu Yeah And this this is this is another one that it came up with where it was just like really wild I was like this isn't even a desk that could possibly exist Like a tea It looks like a tea sticking out of the wall And I'm like there's no Anyhow All right We've gone on for far enough Thank you so much for coming into the immersive lens

Paige LaBarr Yeah

Paul Engin Is there anything that uh we forgot to ask you that you want to mention or anything a recommendation you might want to make um to uh students or to faculty around AI

Paige LaBarr Well this is interesting because I was recently asked about a recommendation separate from this podcast and my recommendation elsewhere was to listen to this podcast

Paul Engin All right

Paige LaBarr So it feels it feels weird to recommend the podcast on the podcast but I've learned a lot of interesting I've learned a lot of interesting things I've learned about tools I haven't tried or I've learned your take on the tools And interestingly a lot of the episodes I listen to whatever I'm thinking is what Paul says next when he's you know asking for like "What are you talking about?" During the hot takes Paul always says stuff and I'm like "Oh that's kind of cool." And then that week I'll read 16 articles about him I'm like "Oh Paul is on the bleeding edge of bleeding edges."

Paul Engin I'm I'm lucky

Paige LaBarr Yeah But honestly not because I'm sitting here in the room with either one of you but I I try to stay relevant and I feel like you really have some current things The other thing that I've used to learn about AI is AI Like I'll just type into Gemini or Claude hey I'm trying to learn about this Give me all the news articles from the past two weeks It's really helpful And then

Paul Engin that's great So you just ask AI the question Don't be afraid to to use it and see what it gives you I think that's that's really cool Well Paige thank you very much for coming in We really appreciate it We're running out of time here Um and maybe in the future if you develop some more things we maybe would you be willing to come back and uh chat with us

Paige LaBarr Sure I can also recommend another 20 people between now and and maybe you when you can vibe code that app with the bird calls and the memory game when I've studied So what I what I really have wondered and this is like I'm running on too many sections of my brain right now but I feel like I don't know if you've ever seen those videos of people that can imitate bird sounds Oh yeah So like if if your imitation can pass the Cornell test it's like the Turing test for your bird sound abilities

Dave Ghidiu Interesting Then that's when you know you're really good at imitating bird sounds Okay it's probably a time for me to wrap it up So um my name is Paul Engin and I'm Dave Ghidiu If you enjoyed today's conversation be sure to subscribe and you never want to miss an episode And let's be careful out there folks and share it with a friend or colleague Until next time stay curious stay connected and thanks for looking through the immersive lens with us This episode was engineered by Jeff Kidd and I saw Hugh Lair back there and then he ran off He did run off We scared him Recorded at Fingerlakes Community College podcast studios located in beautiful Canondea New York in the heart of the Fingerlakes region offering more than 55 degrees certificates micro credentials and workforce training programs Thank you to public relations and communications marketing and the FLX AI hub Eager to delve into passion discover exciting and immersive opportunities at www.flcc.edu

Paul Engin You're back baby You're back

Dave Ghidiu I'm back As part of our mission at FLCC we are committed to making education accessible innovative and aligned with the needs of both students and employers The views expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and the guests and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Fear Lakes Community College Music by Den from Pixabay This is the immersive lens Thanks again We appreciate it

Paul Engin Thanks Paige

Paige LaBarr Thank you


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