The Immersive Lens Podcast

Paul Engin | Dave Ghidiu | Jeff Kidd

Episode 19: Challenge & Unboxing

 

The episode kicks off with a critical look at the current state of artificial intelligence in education and media, specifically examining why highly hyped tools like OpenAI's Sora and Khan Academy's Khanmigo are struggling to maintain traction. The hosts and guest Jenn Carney, a biology professor, discuss how these setbacks highlight a crucial missing ingredient in educational tech: genuine human connection and engagement. As AI continues to evolve, understanding what drives actual student interaction is more vital than ever for educators and developers alike.

Transitioning from theory to practice, Dave issues a multi-tiered "vibe coding" challenge to Paul, Jenn, and producer Jeff, pushing them to use AI models to build functional web applications without writing traditional code. The episode culminates in an exciting unboxing of the new Galaxy XR headset, an $1,800 mixed-reality collaboration between Google and Samsung. Ultimately, the team demonstrates that whether you are coding by vibes or exploring spatial computing, the future of emerging tech relies heavily on lowering barriers to entry for everyday users.




Key Topics

The Human Element in AI Tutors: The quiet discontinuation of tools like Khanmigo in some schools reveals that sophisticated AI tutoring isn't enough if students aren't motivated to engage with it. Jen emphasizes that education is inherently about human connection, and AI must support - not replace - the instructor's ability to curate materials and personally encourage students.

The Rise of "Vibe Coding": Dave introduces a "vibe coding" challenge, demonstrating how AI platforms empower individuals with zero programming experience to build complex applications. By simply providing natural language prompts to AI, users can bypass traditional coding barriers and create functional tools, such as web apps that utilize a webcam or handle file uploads.

AACC Insights and The Gum Wall: The team shares their experiences presenting on the state of AI at the American Association of Community Colleges (AACC) convention in Seattle, noting the audience's enthusiasm for embracing AI rather than fearing it. They also recount their multiple visits to Seattle's infamous, germ-filled Gum Wall, bringing a bit of gross but highly memorable local culture to the podcast.

Unboxing the Galaxy XR Headset: Paul and Dave unbox the newly released Galaxy XR, a mixed-reality headset created through a collaboration between Google and Samsung. Featuring controller-free hand tracking, a sleek visor design, and high-quality pass-through capabilities, it aims to strike a competitive middle ground between the affordability of the Meta Quest and the premium features of the Apple Vision Pro.


Transcript

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Paul Engin

Are you, are you ready?

Dave Ghidiu

I was born ready.

Paul Engin

You ready?

Jenn Carney

I'm ready.

Jeff Kidd

I'm rolling.

Paul Engin

All right. Yeah, get your fingers out of there, that would hurt.

Paul Engin

Welcome to the Immersive Lens, the podcast exploring the technologies reshaping how we live, work, and learn.

Dave Ghidiu

From AI and virtual reality to creative media and design, we are diving into the tools and ideas shaping our connected world.

Paul Engin

My name is Paul Engin. Join us as we uncover the people and ideas driving the next wave of interactive experiences.

Dave Ghidiu

And I'm Dave Ghidiu. This is... The Immersive Lens. And we are joined today in the studio by friend of the pod, Jenn Carney.

Jenn Carney

Hi, glad to be here.

Dave Ghidiu

Insert applause track. Okay, let's just fix that in post.

Jenn Carney

I need that in like normal life. In my classroom! Why don't I have an applause sign?

Dave Ghidiu

They're giving you a standing ovation right now.

Jenn Carney

It's fantastic.

Paul Engin

Dave always gives us more work to do to layer these things in.

Jenn Carney

Right, right.

Dave Ghidiu

That's part of my charm. So, tell us who you are.

Jenn Carney

Sure. So I'm Jenn Carney. I am a biology professor for, oh, almost 20 years now. My background's in biotechnology and molecular biology, and I'm the chair of the Science and Technology department here. And lately, I'm a big fan of AI and... and hope for great things and how we're going to use AI to really impact student learning here at FLCC.

Dave Ghidiu

That is awesome. I'm humbled to be in your presence. That is incredible.

Paul Engin

Yes. A perfect fit for the pod.

Dave Ghidiu

Yeah.

Jenn Carney

Yeah. Right, right.

Dave Ghidiu

So, we start every episode with kind of a hot take. So do you have any hot takes to share with us? Not to put you on the spot.

Jenn Carney

Yeah, so I've been interested this week in the story about two AI tools that made a big splash and now are being fairly quietly discontinued. And one is Sora, which is the video tool on OpenAI, and that made a very splashy debut and apparently is just not that popular and extremely expensive to run, and so they're getting rid of that. And then the other one that's interesting to me as an educator is Khanmigo.

Dave Ghidiu

Khanmigo.

Jenn Carney

So Khanmigo is an AI tutor that accompanies Khan Academy. And so Khan Academy, you probably are familiar with it...

Dave Ghidiu

Sal Khan.

Jenn Carney

Right, exactly. And I know, how many things can he name after himself, right? But, so that platform is free, open courses, started with just math, it's really aimed at K-12, started with high school math and then it's expanded down into grade school and across the disciplines. And now they offer art classes... not a lot of art classes... history classes, social science classes, all of that. And they had this AI tutor, and they debuted it maybe almost two years ago, a year and a half ago. I mean, kind of a long time ago in the world of AI.

Dave Ghidiu

They had been working with ChatGPT kind of secretly and they got the advanced models for that.

Jenn Carney

Yeah, so it was somehow built on with OpenAI as the tool. But they are discontinuing it now because students didn't seek it out. They didn't seek out this additional tool. So what Khan Academy did is they made it more intrusive. They made it pop up all the time.

Dave Ghidiu

Oh.

Jenn Carney

And still students didn't want it. And they said a lot of responses they were getting were disengaged, like "IDK IDK," which means I don't know, I don't know. So the students were not interested in engaging. So to me this is fascinating because it's not that the tool was a bad tool or poorly written. It was incredibly powerful. It used the Socratic method, it was great at tutoring. But it doesn't solve the engagement problem. And so there's a human connection there that was missing that they haven't figured out how to stick in.

Dave Ghidiu

So this is a barometer maybe of things to come and that we should be looking out for is how can we enhance that engagement then, right? Like what's the missing ingredient?

Jenn Carney

Well exactly. So that's where I'm so interested in AI in this connection between AI and the classroom, AI and learning, is learning and teaching is essentially all about human connection. And AI tools now allow us to do a better job of personalizing instruction and creating materials that are just right, but we have to preserve the human connection. Or else, you know, what's the point, right? All the world is out there. All the knowledge of the world is out there on your cell phone right now. We're not all experts in everything. We still depend on instructors to coach us, to curate materials, and to encourage us, and show us the way. And that's where the magic of education takes place, and this is an example of that.

Paul Engin

So I wonder with this, do you think it's a... so we've talked about cases before where the technology is too ahead of where everybody else is. Is it because students aren't accustomed yet to clicking a button and having a conversation and they're kind of just, they want to talk to somebody, they don't realize, you know, that it can give you an answer?

Jenn Carney

I think it's important to remember developmentally where this is aimed at, right, at K-12. So these are not adults who are consciously taking control of their own education and making choices about where to engage. These are kids, right? And maybe that's not an appropriate way to use that tool with that age group. But what's interesting is, Khan Academy is not like throwing this in the dustbin. They're pulling it - it's no longer available, or shortly will no longer be available - but they're going to repurpose that and specifically embedding it in courses that they're marketing directly to schools. So it's, they're going to use it in embedded ways with instructors guiding students through it, instead of independently on the web.

Dave Ghidiu

And I like that, the natural - so they had some telemetry, they learned what doesn't work, and now they kind of are going to go to the next iteration and figure it out. So I appreciate that.

Paul Engin

Yeah, I think that's good. I just didn't want - I was thinking like, they shouldn't just throw it away, there's got to be some utility to it. It's just how they're using it is not working right now.

Jenn Carney

Well, and I guess, that's, I mean, like with Sora, right? Sora's a great video editing tool...

Dave Ghidiu

...or so I hear. I don't really know about video editing. Paul, you can fill me in.

Jenn Carney

...but at the end, these companies have a limited amount of compute, they've got a limited amount of money, and they gotta decide where they're putting their resources and they don't want to spend it on things that aren't, aren't, um, don't have a way to profitability or aren't being very useful right now in achieving their goals. So, yeah.

Paul Engin

Yeah, well I think the problem with Sora was that it's like Google Video like if I it'll generate a video but then that's all it does so it's like a small little clip versus like Google has found a way in Flow to allow a creator to create a story and so we can develop something whereas the other platforms are really just these little snippets of videos and...

Jenn Carney

Okay, but aren't you a little bit sad that we're not gonna this is the death of the um Marvel uh Pixar Disney um day because I was excited to be able to put Iron Man in a video you know with maybe um uh with um Moana or something right? Like there was like possibilities for Disney Pixar mashups and stuff like we've never seen before.

Dave Ghidiu

I bet that'll come back in some form or other. Disney might even have an app that does that.

Jenn Carney

Yeah, probably. Yeah.

Paul Engin

Yeah. No I wasn't I the whole time I was like they're just trying to find a way I felt like to protect their IP sure and and they thought okay well let's do it like this so it's controlled. Um but I don't know why I never had a I never had that inkling because I've seen in the Sora app they had the they have like uh a bunch of like Shaquille O'Neal or uh Mark Cuban...

Dave Ghidiu

Sam Altman yeah.

Paul Engin

...yeah Sam Altman and then you they're like they were integrating them into all of these things and I was just like

Jenn Carney

I don't need Sam Altman!

Paul Engin

But you know it was just like okay but I didn't see the utility of it in a day-to-day production other than just a I will say this there was an awful lot of entertaining AI slop that came out of Sora.

Paul Engin

Yes. I mean I got an otter skateboarding with a new media or FLCC shirt you know.

Dave Ghidiu

So if you want the brain rot then we're we're gonna miss the brain rot.

Paul Engin

Yeah. Goodbye brain rot.

Jenn Carney

Yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

So I also heard you two went to a conference can you guys talk a little bit about what conference it was and what you guys did and...

Jenn Carney

Sure. So um there was actually a group of nine of us from the institution who went to um the uh AACC so the American Association of Community Colleges annual convention and it was in um Seattle uh last weekend and uh it was great. I thought it was great. Seattle's so fun. Have you you had not been there a lot before right Dave?

Dave Ghidiu

My sister lived there so I used to go visit her uh but she's been back here uh now and I was there with my wife once last year but Jenn and I did go to the gum wall. And and we might even put photos in the uh episode in the notes.

Paul Engin

Let's see. What is a gum wall?

Jenn Carney

It's disgusting. It's what it is. But you have to go. So there's like this alley um it's kind of it's right by Pike Place Market and uh uh it is just covered with gum on the walls as far as you can see and it is this like colorful mosaic of chewed up gum. Um and it is somehow so fascinating and so gross all at the same time.

Paul Engin

So did you contribute? Did you put your picture...

Jenn Carney

We did! And that's what we have pictures of. Yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

It is so gross. And the thing that makes it especially gross is some of the gum is just like dripping down like stalactites and...

Jenn Carney

So nasty.

Dave Ghidiu

The amount of germs that must be in this...

Jenn Carney

But to be honest Dave and I went there and we didn't have gum. So we had to go back another time with gum.

Paul Engin

Oh I thought you were gonna say you took one from the wall.

Jenn Carney

No. That would be no I couldn't I would no longer be able to talk to Dave if that had happened. Um yeah.

Paul Engin

That's next level right there.

Jenn Carney

No.

Paul Engin

I dare you guys next time you're in Seattle.

Jenn Carney

Alright the other thing we have to mention I think Dave and I both really enjoyed um this little shop at Pike Place Market called the Crumpet Shop and we had crumpets for breakfast every morning.

Dave Ghidiu

Yeah. Crumpets.

Jenn Carney

Yeah. They're like an English muffin except more English. Yeah. They're basically like an English muffin.

Dave Ghidiu

It a lit- yeah it's got like a you know you go to Taco Bell you get the Crunchwrap Supreme you can knock on the Crunchwrap it's got like a thin veneer of like crisp. The crumpets had that.

Paul Engin

Excellent.

Dave Ghidiu

So I'm just talking the Taco Bell language...

Paul Engin

So what about the com- what about the conference oh the conference.

Jenn Carney

Oh yeah yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

It was we presented on the state of AI at FLCC uh kind of twi- twice. Mhm. Um we actually were the first session of the conference and the last session we bookended the conference.

Paul Engin

Oh. Excellent.

Jenn Carney

Yeah. And we had um actually a lot of enthusiasm about our FLCC's um AI challenge that um is um is available for free for schools to use to bring um to get their faculty and staff playing with experimenting with AI.

Dave Ghidiu

Yeah that's that's kind of our specialty niche is saying you know listen it doesn't met- like yeah AI happened three years ago. You haven't missed the boat. Like if you are new to AI that's fine and we and it's not too late you haven't missed your on-ramp and you can't even AI wrong so we we try to create this positive culture and we I think we've done a pretty good job at the college of saying like hey no judgment like if you want to start using AI start using AI. And so we're that's part of part of our ethos both in what we do internally but also externally with organizations companies things like that.

Paul Engin

And did you guys um share the the challenges with everyone there and were they doing it at the conference or what was the...

Dave Ghidiu

Well before the presentation re- it was a shorter presentation and Jenn was like are you gonna go over each challenge and I was like no they don't want to see that and so I just had one slide about it and then as we were going through I ca- I kind of was like and look we have 10 challenges I went to the next slide and some guy was like in the front was like uh can you actually go through those challenges so Jenn was right I was wrong.

Jenn Carney

I know what people want to know. Yeah. She knows. Dave wanted to talk about how great we are overall and they were like tell me what to do with AI. Right. Yeah.

Paul Engin

And now you know. And knowing is half the battle as GI Joe used to say.

Dave Ghidiu

GI Joe did say that. Yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

Alright so the the reason we brought you here today.

Jenn Carney

Uh-huh.

Dave Ghidiu

This is part one. You're gonna have to come back.

Jenn Carney

Okay.

Dave Ghidiu

Is because for Paul for you Jenn and for Jeff in the booth I have devised a challenge and I just want to give you the ground rules before I reveal the challenge.

Jenn Carney

You've been very secretive about it and making me nervous also.

Dave Ghidiu

I know. I sent you a text yesterday I think that was like don't get too anxious but like this is gonna be bonkers. Or something like that.

Jenn Carney

Right right. When I told him last week I was nervous because he wasn't telling me he said I don't know what to tell you you should be very scared.

Dave Ghidiu

Oh that's what I said. Very kind. Very kind.

Paul Engin

Jeff are you there? Are you are you aware of what's going on right now?

Jeff Kidd

I know there's a challenge. That's it.

Dave Ghidiu

Okay so Jeff has it and it's sealed in wax uh in the in the in the studio there so that uh in the control room so that there's no peeking.

Jenn Carney

Are these all identical? So I see you have packets of information for me and Paul. Are they all identical?

Dave Ghidiu

We have packets. They're all identical.

Jenn Carney

And when you say a challenge do you mean a competition? Okay. Alright I just I needed to know if I needed to try to beat Jeff and Paul because I could do that. I could try. Yeah.

Paul Engin

I mean ouch. Man. It's on.

Jenn Carney

It's motivating.

Dave Ghidiu

Actually I mean there's nothing that says that you can't.

Jenn Carney

Okay. Alright.

Paul Engin

Is there bragging rights or is it coffee are we talking...

Dave Ghidiu

I will laser engrave oh laser a something. Something. A memento. Something. Yeah. A trophy. A test trophy.

Paul Engin

So here's the deal. Did you hear that Jeff? Did you hear that?

Jeff Kidd

I thought he was gonna give us the MacBook.

Jenn Carney

Oh. I know right.

Dave Ghidiu

I will laser engrave the MacBook and then give it to the winner. That is what I was gonna say. Okay so over the over the time that I've known you all we've talked about vibe coding. And I believe that all three of you are at kind of different stages of your experience with coding. So Paul like you teach coding.

Paul Engin

Mhm.

Jenn Carney

Yeah that seems like an advantage.

Dave Ghidiu

It does doesn't it? Yeah yeah. It does. But you and and this weekend you sent me something you're like hey look at what I kind of did with Claude and that was vibe coding. And I was actually really really impressed with it. And Jeff you probably live in the middle of never coding and coding quite a bit correct? Like

Jeff Kidd

Zero. None.

Dave Ghidiu

Okay. Oh really? Well boy oh boy did I underestimate this. Okay.

Jenn Carney

I did take a um a programming in C class back 25 years ago. Um it wasn't even C++. It was just C back then.

Dave Ghidiu

That was before they added the first plus and the second plus. Okay.

Jenn Carney

Yes. Right. Just C. That's how old I am. Right I don't know.

Dave Ghidiu

C minus was it C minus? Okay.

Paul Engin

I learned Pascal. That was my first language. Yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

Okay. So here's the deal. I have developed what's uh called the Immersive Lens Vibe Coding Challenge. And I will give a copy to each of you in a moment. And there are three different challenges. And I wanted them to be uh very to to scaffold. So it's gonna start very simple and then the second one deals with like files. So like you're gonna make so the first one you're just gonna make an application a web app. And you've you've kind of sent me a web app Jenn the the other day. It's just like a website and it might have some functionality. That's the first challenge. And I've given you three different examples that you can use. And then the second challenge is using okay well now I want you to like make a web app that requires the user to either upload some files or download some files. I just want you to get some experience with that. So it might be oh well make uh a certificate and people can download it. And and Paul you had mentioned something like this that was a bit of the inspiration where you made a meme generator where you could upload a file put text on it and then download it.

Paul Engin

Yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

So that's the second one is files. And then the third one and and I will set the table for you with like what what this actually means and what it will actually look like but the third category...

Paul Engin

He's reading it he doesn't know what it is. This is scary.

Dave Ghidiu

He forgot. Uh yes. I haven't seen it.

Jenn Carney

It's because Claude wrote it. He didn't write it.

Dave Ghidiu

No. Uh we wrote it in tandem. The third one is using the webcam to do something. So you're gonna now start using peripherals. So in this nine page document that and and Jeff you can now look at it if you want you can un undo the wax seal. Uh you you don't need to read the specifics. Yeah. Can you do some of the ASMR into the microphone with the paper like you're shuffling...

Jeff Kidd

Wow. This paper.

Jenn Carney

Alright. So...

Dave Ghidiu

So you you don't need to read it now. Here's the here's the gist. I've given you what I think is probably enough to get going. So if you want to use Gemini you have to hit the canvas button like you know how you can like make an image make a if you're using Claude you can just start program just say like I'm making a an a web app and it automatically knows and with ChatGPT so I've given you kind of the instructions. I'm also giving you each two weeks to come back and show me what you've got. And then we'll do a debrief like in studio. And then the third thing is you also each of you have my phone number so if you want to text and ask questions you can get a free consultation session session. And this is also going to be on the website so listeners to this podcast can see not only what what you are all doing but will also have the ability to do that and contribute and we'll put um different submissions on the website including all of your submissions.

Jenn Carney

Um so I don't need to use like Claude code or anything I can just use like regular Claude? Okay. Alright.

Dave Ghidiu

This is meant to be low no barrier. And that's a good distinction. So Claude Code is specifically made for coding but you can just go into Claude and say hey I want to make a an a web app. A web app is like an application that lives in the web site it's just like a web page and you've already made a web app whether you know it or not. So...

Jenn Carney

I did not know that but that's good to know. Alright good.

Dave Ghidiu

So there might be some vocabulary in here that you all three of you need kind of some clarification on. And I'm happy to help you. I don't want this is actually more my curiosity I want to see what you can do and kind of like figure out on your own. And then we'll have a debrief where we'll all kind of I'll ask you questions what were the pain points what was the easy thing was there any big wins things like that.

Jenn Carney

Alright so um this sounds you know very exciting that you've brought me in and given me homework. Um but um also like who hands out papers? They're not even stapled! Like can you give me an electronic file? This is like lost by the time I get home today this is not how I live anymore.

Dave Ghidiu

So two things. One I built this originally as a web app so it is available electronically I will email it to you afterwards. I'm gonna put it in the liner notes for the podcast. The second thing is I actually have these like eight and a half by 11 FLCC envelopes and I was like oh I'll put it in the envelope and it will be really really cool. But the the sticky part had already gotten like stuck shut. So like...

Jenn Carney

Because who mails anything now? Right? These are ten-year-old envelopes or something.

Dave Ghidiu

So you can lose this paper the the actual online one is quite nicer so all our our immense audience will be this is probably gonna crash the website because everyone's gonna go there. But they can go and see exactly what the challenge is and get some examples. So there are three different examples for each challenge. You do not need to do any of those three those are just for inspo.

Jenn Carney

Alright so um I know you're kicking me out of the podcast after this uh challenge but I have a question for you Dave. So you talk about vibe coding all the time. I read I'm gonna call it an article but it was more like a blog post um the other day about how um how there's so many vibe coded apps out there that are spilling user data all over the place that are creating security risks. So um when you...

Dave Ghidiu

Sure.

Jenn Carney

Are you concerned about that?

Dave Ghidiu

Um I mean I won't ask for um sensitive data in my um in my apps but how do you handle that in your um in your classes when you teach this?

Dave Ghidiu

That's a good design principle. So in the vibe coding class and again vibe coding is just like if you don't know anything about coding you just use AI and it makes the app for you. There's actually on one of these pages Paul is right there is a prompt and and this is a kind of a design principle so that you would attach to every single prompt. And one of those specifications is do not collect personal information and um don't store it anywhere. And the nature of these apps are such that you don't even need the internet to run them. So that they're not conversing with a server they're never at least the way the prompt is written the the starter prompt it will not collect that information. So in our course in our class in the vibe coding class which you can sign up now for fall 2026. In that vibe coding course we do talk about security and that's one of the big issues. And this is much like all AI issues that's always been a a talking point and AI has just kind of rekindled that talking point. So...

Jenn Carney

Well I mean it's got it it's lowered the barrier right? All kinds of people are making apps now. I'm seeing it pop up. People are offering to sell me all kinds of things now that they've clearly vibe coded. Yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

Buy them all.

Jenn Carney

And in fact the Apple App Store has had they've been inundated with vibe coded apps. Mm-hmm. So so it it is an a problem um but even really really well designed software uh has tons of personal info leaking. So we're not doing any of that stuff in for for this challenge there's no collection of personal data there's it's really just for you to get your feet wet and interact with the web. We're only gonna have you turn your webcam on record your audio and then we're gonna create a digital replica of you...

Jenn Carney

Oh wait.

Dave Ghidiu

Oh.

Jenn Carney

Yeah.

Paul Engin

That was the secret plan.

Jenn Carney

So um...

Paul Engin

Apparently Mark Zuckerberg is doing that right now right? That's like a real project that he's working on and that's going to apparently help his employees feel better connected to him when they that's the goal of it.

Dave Ghidiu

Yeah I think the joke in Silicon Valley though is that like it might be more lifelike than Mark Zuckerberg himself.

Jenn Carney

That is the joke yeah.

Paul Engin

I'm trying to get Paul to spit out his water. Poor Mark.

Dave Ghidiu

So so you have two weeks. And then we'll schedule a time to come back in and have a debrief. I'm eager to see what's gonna happen and who's gonna win.

Jenn Carney

Because I didn't know it was a competition. I know now that it's a competition I'd like to know what it takes to win. You just have to make the coolest one right?

Dave Ghidiu

It has to be super cool.

Jenn Carney

Has to be super cool. Alright.

Paul Engin

Well and Jenn already lost.

Dave Ghidiu

Are there point deductions for how many times they call you?

Dave Ghidiu

No. No point deductions until after the third time.

Paul Engin

Jeff did you hear that?

Jeff Kidd

Three times and you're out.

Dave Ghidiu

Three times and you're out. So I don't want so I've given kind of the high level for all the listeners they can go to the website and they can actually see the the and and I'll email you the links after this. So they can actually see what we're looking at. And and really it's meant to be approachable it really is meant to be interactive and to be a little empowering. So like tell me Jenn when you sent me what you did and I don't want to go into the details about it it was really really cool though. How did you feel afterwards?

Jenn Carney

I was so excited. That was like what I emailed uh him last night was I'm so excited! Um I created this thing and I think it's pretty great. And yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

And just I'm I'm glad to hear that because just this morning Katie my wife uh as I was leaving she's like I just I think I just vibe coded something for the first time. And she had done something to help her in one of the classes she teaches and I was like you did! You did! So it's coming. It's the sleeping giant and you are able to now make an application that is helpful and practical that maybe before you never would have done because either you don't have the skills or you didn't have the money to hire someone to do it. Now you can just do it. And it can be your like what you envision.

Jenn Carney

Yeah. It's exciting.

Dave Ghidiu

Alright. We'll see you in two weeks.

Paul Engin

Wait wait wait Jeff do you have any questions or we we'll ask you...

Jeff Kidd

Oh I'm gonna have plenty of questions I don't even know where to start with this.

Dave Ghidiu

You better have three questions. Only three. Yeah I'll make 'em real good.

Paul Engin

So so again just the ground rules. I do give you like a prompt there's a prompt on one of the pages that's like at least include it in your prompt. It's the guard rails it's all the like tech nerdy stuff that like if you use that prompt then it'll make it a lot easier life will be a lot easier for you. And the second thing is um you can just do this right from Gemini right from ChatGPT or right from Claude. You don't need any special software you can go right to the website and do it.

Paul Engin

Are we allowed to use special software or...

Dave Ghidiu

Sure.

Jenn Carney

Nerd.

Dave Ghidiu

Nerd alert.

Jenn Carney

I know. He comes in with all this coding background and special software...

Paul Engin

I mean I don't know...

Dave Ghidiu

He's gonna actually have his capstone learners like do this for him.

Paul Engin

I don't know...

Jenn Carney

Just create something for him. Yeah.

Paul Engin

You know it's about time they start doing something Dave okay?

Dave Ghidiu

Alright. Well thank you for coming in.

Paul Engin

Thank you for coming. We'll see you in uh two weeks.

Jenn Carney

Alright. Sounds like a plan.

Dave Ghidiu

And Jen's hot take was the best hot take we've had since I've been here. I she was she was on on camera for like 10 seconds and was outperforming everything we've done.

Paul Engin

Alright. Now she needs her own podcast.

Dave Ghidiu

Yeah she can get her own podcast.

Paul Engin

Wrong door! Wrong door!

Dave Ghidiu

She is walking out the wrong door. So I don't know what that says.

Paul Engin

We welcome. Welcome.

Jeff Kidd

Oh. I have another box.

Dave Ghidiu

Alright so we're doing unboxing part two. And uh as you're getting situated here so uh so Jeff Jeff's coming in and kind of taking Jen's spot where where she was. Uh I am curious so Paul I know you do have some coding experience. Have you vibe coded?

Paul Engin

Um vibe coded... I mean I've intentionally coded something using AI?

Dave Ghidiu

Okay. Alright that's right you did the meme generator. Anything else?

Paul Engin

I did the market generator.

Dave Ghidiu

How hard or easy were those things to do?

Paul Engin

Well the meme generator was like shock like I was literally the students were like alright you're gonna be doing creating a meme you know fictitious meme thing and I go okay well let me just start writing something and I I wrote like three prompts and then it was done.

Dave Ghidiu

Yeah.

Paul Engin

And I was like oh I guess I got a meme generator you guys for the the show.

Dave Ghidiu

For the capstone thing. And so the the meme generator was it's basically upload a photo and then you can put text on it and download it just like the the old school memes or I guess those are the memes that are happening today right?

Paul Engin

Right. Yep. Yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

That's cool. And Jeff welcome.

Jeff Kidd

Hi.

Dave Ghidiu

Are you scared?

Jeff Kidd

I'm terrified. Really? I've never coded. I tell students all the time like I if I were them and I were their age and I was coming to FLCC for the first time I would totally do new media over communications.

Dave Ghidiu

I would do it. I say the same thing about computer science. I'm like I would totally do new media.

Jeff Kidd

I would totally do new media until I got to all the coding and all that kind of stuff then I probably would bail and then just end up going to communications because I it just goes over my head.

Dave Ghidiu

So in two weeks you know how I like creating work for the post-production for these podcasts? In two weeks when we have the episode I want to bring back that sound bite of you saying like it's over my head I get lost I'll never do it because I think I'm I'm really thinking that in two weeks you're going to create just with AI some kind of really cool stuff.

Jeff Kidd

Okay.

Paul Engin

I do too. I do too. And it's good it seems like it's like a good middle ground it's like you have me you have Jenn and then you have Jeff and it's like...

Jeff Kidd

Never ever.

Dave Ghidiu

Alright. Never ever ever have.

Dave Ghidiu

And Hugh is going to get a copy of this too just so he can see exactly what's going on. Well I'm sure I'm gonna be you know if I can only ask you three questions I'm gonna go to Hugh.

Paul Engin

I bet why did I have to why shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have even I don't know why I get so secret about it. Hugh do not answer his questions alright?

Jeff Kidd

Hugh I have saved you how many times over the years Hugh this is the one that I want you to adjust 'cause that's the one that's gonna be way too low. Yeah that's the one that I was talking about.

Dave Ghidiu

And for those listening Hugh is uh A adjusting the cameras but B also knows quite a bit about programming and has vibe coded himself. You you told me you you've had good successes doing that right?

Hugh

Yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

He said yes. And now we are tilting the camera. It's the it's the knob that's just under the lens yeah or just yeah that that works too. That should be fine. If we're doing this live everyone I love it. This...

Paul Engin

I don't know if I screwed this one up or if you thought I wanted this one. No it doesn't that's the one I wanted you to fix though that's fine. It looks fine.

Jeff Kidd

Looks fine. Looks fine. Looks fine.

Paul Engin

Can I help him as a tutor since that's...

Dave Ghidiu

No let me do it no let me let me figure it out first. Let me... No no like I don't ask I don't answer any his questions I just as a tutor just to redirect...

Dave Ghidiu

As a tutor just direct point him in the right direction. Yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

And two two things about AI especially when you're vibe coding there there is no way you can't AI wrong. We we always say that. But the other thing is like one of the things that's really interesting about teaching a vibe coding class is often times the conversation about AI in education is like oh learners are going to use AI to cheat and they're going to do their work and I'm like yeah that's the point of this class you can't the only way to cheat in this class is like if you hand in the same work as that person over there which would never happen 'cause you you can just do it yourself. So uh I'm eager to see what happens in the class but I'm really eager to see what you do. Finger pointing at Jeff.

Jeff Kidd

Me too. Okay.

Paul Engin

That I'm excited. We'll see.

Jeff Kidd

It's my first time literally coding ever. I remember when I got to student at I think you had started here 'cause we're a couple years apart as far as our time here. Uh I was like I should probably learn how to use After Effects. And the time it took to do one little animation like in Adobe After Effects I was like nope this is not for me. I'm out. Like video like it just too minutia too little.

Dave Ghidiu

But don't you use After Effects?

Paul Engin

No. You oh.

Dave Ghidiu

I work around it. Or I use him.

Dave Ghidiu

Well I think that you're gonna come in and be addicted I think I might be creating a monster here.

Jeff Kidd

Uh I think you're probably right.

Dave Ghidiu

Okay well we'll see.

Paul Engin

Alright this is good. Thank you Dave. Thanks for sitting. I am excited. I am scared but I am excited.

Dave Ghidiu

Alright. Nice.

Paul Engin

Alright.

Paul Engin

So we got a new box. Another box. Another box. Yes another box. Um what should we should we just start opening it? What do you want to...

Dave Ghidiu

I would say 'cause we're kind of it's this is it's not like the MacBook where there's a box within a box. It's in this box. So the unboxing there is a box and then there's something in the box. And there's yeah there's yeah so I don't know I think maybe if I hold it and then you take it out.

Paul Engin

Okay. So there's uh tabs oh look at that.

Dave Ghidiu

Oh this is a this is like Indiana Jones in the original... that's also the second week we've had an Indiana Jones reference. But this is um...

Paul Engin

A box stuck in a box. Yeah it's just the top of the box. Yeah. Let me toss it over there. Okay.

Dave Ghidiu

And now from my vantage point I can see it looks like black cardboard with some white writing there might be a logo in there but the microphone is in my way I can't see it. It looks like it might be a Galaxy XR headset.

Paul Engin

And the funny thing about this Dave is you didn't know this was coming but you texted us about the Web XR. Oh that's right. And you can literally vibe code in this.

Dave Ghidiu

Yes. So so if you haven't been on the text chain with Jeff and I uh Google has a new vibe coding um it's a gem actually uh which is kind of like a chatbot and it's meant for programming 3D worlds in XR. So it's you give it a prompt and I did one called like gum gum drop world and it was just and I just wanted to see what would happen and then it's like this 3D world that has gum drops and you can walk around in it. So this is a lot like when you were talking about um the Genie 3. Or no the video one. Was that Genie 3? Yeah. The um where it created the 3D world. Yeah. So you created that 3D world and then um you were like the ant floating on the yeah yeah yeah. Yeah.

Paul Engin

That's what you did with the gum drop? Uh sort of. Okay. Yeah I just wanted to see what would happen so I did and then I did a scary scary boiler room basement with tunnels. Those were the two prompts I did.

Paul Engin

And it worked and you were able to do a 3D...

Dave Ghidiu

Yeah I think I need to experiment with it a little bit more to get like more texture and stuff but uh if you saw my chat history you'd be like what in the world Gum drop world and scary scary boiler room I was actually doing I was actually doing a demo in Geneseo on Friday for AI I was giving a doing a workshop and they could see my chats and someone in the back raised their hand like what is scary boiler room chat? It's when students aren't be quiet! Alright so do you want me to pull this tab?

Jeff Kidd

Yeah yeah pull the tab. Do you want me to pull the one on this side?

Dave Ghidiu

Or do you want to get it for the gram? So spin the box around when youre done grabbing the so right now I I will be the announcer. Paul is very carefully there is this well crafted um pull tab which will separate the top of the box from the bottom of the box and there's one diametrically opposite so Paul has just rotated the box 180 degrees and is now going on pull tab number two while Jeff meticulously records. Now Paul is rotating the box 180 degrees back to its original position so that it is lined up and we can see the Galaxy XR. He is lifting it up the top of the box and what we have is a futuristic headset it actually looks that's the best looking headset I think I've seen in a long long time. It's it seems pretty lightweight. Lift it up let's see. So it's got um all the trappings of a typical headset it has well you almost dropped that! No I was just turning it. It has a a clear or I'm sorry an opaque screen in the front it kind of looks like a mesh a little bit and then it has a rubber gasket that goes over your forehead but the back of it has a really nice pad uh that rests on the back of your head and then it has the traditional crank that you would see. Now Paul is what is this thing on the side? Oh that might be for the charger there's like a little magnetic MagSafe charging type thing. Let's see what's in the oh now we're lifting up there's a hidden compartment in this box. Uh and so as Paul is dismantling that I just want to kind of marvel at the aesthetics of this. Oh it is pretty lightweight it's got um an embedded button it looks like a rocker maybe a power switch or volume. Uh it's got some upward thrusting speakers oh it looks like it has a sensor in the temple oh that's weird. On um it has things for both your eyes one for each eyeball. That's kind of cool.

Paul Engin

So this is uh the Galaxy XR that is uh I guess I will say Google's and Samsung's collab. Collab to kind of compete with the Vision Pro is my what do you think? The Vision Pro and the Oculus.

Dave Ghidiu

And Oculus. It's like a hybrid between the Oculus Quest and the Vision Pro because the Oculus Quest is the Meta one it's like a price point is four or $500. 300 for their well they just increased the price of those. Did you see that? No. Yes they increased the price of the the two. They was yeah I think it was I can't remember I don't want to say if I'm wrong but it's $100 for the for the it was $500 to $600 and I think at least 50 for the other one so 350. Dang. And and so that so the Quest is kind of like appropriately priced. It's moderately priced. And that but the Mac the Apple Vision Pro is $3,500. But they are it sounds to me like they're releasing like smart glasses coming up. They're working at the rumor is they're working at it. Okay smart glasses yeah. And I heard that they're gonna do an air. They said an air they were working on a cheaper version of their of a Vision Pro type. So this seems like do what's the price point on this? I should I looked that up too. Okay.

Paul Engin

So I think the and so here's the thing is that this is an Android this will hopefully give us a better pass through similar to the Vision Pro. And the pass through can you explain that?

Dave Ghidiu

So that's where you it looks like you're seeing everything in front of you. Um so it's a higher resolution image. Um so it looks like you're just wearing glasses versus having it blocked and you can't see what's in front of you. Yeah so even though it's you can't see through it the the image in the screen is like what you would see. Correct correct. Okay. So so and this is going to be used for like in the new media program for figuring out like what the like 'cause you do an awful lot of stuff with the capstone for like how can this best be used what's the cool stuff we can do with it.

Paul Engin

That's right. And my hope is that um and and Jeff knows the torment I've been dealing with because this technology is changing all the time. Oh my gosh. Is that I was like well maybe I should wait and then I'd always be waiting so the the hope is that if we develop an app for this the same software will be on the glasses that they might release the Android ones the Android ones and similar with the Vision Pro whatever we do with the Vision Pro my hope is is if they come out with glasses it'll be ported. Yeah. I'm hoping. But that's a riskier bet. Because it took them a long time to get iOS synced up with macOS. Yes. Okay.

Jeff Kidd

This was $1,800. This is 1800. Yeah. Really. So it's literally smacked in the middle of the Oculus Quest and the Vision Pro.

Dave Ghidiu

It's um 1800 is that's not chump change.

Paul Engin

Yeah and your and your um that WebX the XR WebXR um module said that it's really made for this product. But Quest is obviously an Android product that you can do it with and then they said you can do it with Vision Pro but it's not Yeah I mean you can program it for the like you can run it on your desktop too. So you just don't get the the sensation. One of the other things that's really nice about this when you were so the crank on the back for fitting it on your head A it's it's kind of robust but B it's like butter. Turning it it's just really really smooth so it just really hugs up against your head and it also looks like this back piece is a little bit more comfortable and structurally supportive than you typically see. Same with the front.

Paul Engin

Yeah look at the front. What is that? Oh it's Space Age! Alright so let's see what else is in the box first and then we'll try this on.

Dave Ghidiu

So we have two tabs here. Yeah so the the full rectangle is comprised of two tabs. Uh so one says power and that one says accessory.

Paul Engin

So if we open the opening the power oh so it has a brick. Is this do you know do you have to wear that brick? Okay so it's much like the Apple Vision Pro. I'm assuming it's like the Vision Pro where you um it's got a really long cord too huh. Yeah. Where you just put in your pocket and yeah. Which is fine. I did when we when I tried the Vision Pro I had it for a few days I thought it was people were always like oh you gotta carry the battery with you it's not that heavy and you put in your pocket you don't even notice it. Right. And then I think it's just for charging I think once it's running maybe I don't know I haven't used it yet so I'm not sure. Um do you know Jeff if you have are you I don't know I don't think okay. I think you have to have this attached I probably follow up.

Dave Ghidiu

And this by the way FLCC we're we're looking at you know what's around the corner tomorrow and also next year. So this emerging technologies and I know Paul you said it it's a real headache because just keeping up on top of things is is pretty difficult. But that's that's what we do here. That's right that's right. That's what we do. In fact our while while you're looking at those cords the oh that's the charging cord that is cool. That is the adapter that goes so it's got a MagSafe type chap which I really appreciate about Apple even though this Neo doesn't have it is the the MagSafe. But the microcredential the AI integration specialist microcredential that we're rolling out in the fall we originally said in the course materials oh you need to buy this special computer for running local models and it was the Raspberry Pi was like 100 bucks uh with an AI plus or AI plus hat which is like a little piece for it. But since we announced that then Google came out with Google Edge AI gallery which means you can run a local model on your phone. And that's true for Apple as well. So I'm like we don't even need this anymore. It's just changing so fast.

Paul Engin

Yeah that's what I notice too is that everything is just happening so quick. Um are you recording? I didn't know so this is just the uh they call it the slide to lock oh okay. So it's just a mechanism. Oh so the cord which is kind of like MagSafe has like a little button or slide so it locks it in place. That's what it looks like. Yeah listen I don't want to be playing like Hot Shot VR and like swing my arm and unplug the device. Um and then we got the USBC so I assume this goes to here then this plugs in.

Dave Ghidiu

Yeah so that brick goes halfway between the wall wart and the uh power display thing. Look at how deep that is. What is that for? Wow. Oh so probably locks it in there. So the USBC port is recessed quite a bit in there. Oh and it's even got oh Paul look at that it's got a release in it so that's why 'cause you need to plug into it. So this is like so you can't get your arm wrapped up into it and inadvertently unplug it. Okay. And I don't know if you can can you stare down the barrel of this uh thing right here and I'll press the button so you can see the actual release mechanism? Are you able to see that Jeff? I don't see anything happening on the inside okay maybe if I do it there can you see on the oh yeah I see it there. Okay. Yeah there's like a little tooth that grabs into the USBC cord so it can't come unplugged inadvertently. Yes.

Paul Engin

So I'm gonna let's see what's in the accessories and then we'll try this on. Let's see what's in the accessory the and again I just have to mention I think Apple pioneered awesome like fun packaging. Yeah this packaging is really good. Um what is this? Thick. Oh it's for so there there seems to be oh. Oh it's magnetic. Do they stack on top of each other? So the eye visor part that goes across your forehead if you have a forehead that's maybe shaped a little differently oh it's got like a foam pad and it's got a spacer in it so you can kind of make it for smaller heads or bigger heads. Different sized heads. Yeah and but they stick by magnets into it which is cool any did the Apple Vision Pro do magnets too or not? I don't think I don't have it doesn't come with anything like this no okay no. This is a lot 1800 bucks gets you. Okay so this must be an extension I bet the I bet it sticks to the oh it did wait a minute. No. Invert one of those. So this goes like this oh and then this one goes. Yeah stack it. So so you can like put the foam padding on or put a spacer. So this this is really cool and maybe that might be for glasses. Oh that makes sense. Okay. And then what what else is in that accessory side over there? Remotes. Oh pads. What? More pads. More pads. And again I'll have to figure out where these pads go. I can't even fathom where those pads would go. Alright. And so there is no controllers. No controllers. So it's all hand based. So it's all hand based. I'm glad we've gotten to that point. In the the Apple Vision Pro didn't have controllers right? No. No. We I thought we we priced originally do they do they do make controllers for them. For this. We but we just didn't buy them. Yeah 'cause we figured that it should be all hand. Yeah.

Paul Engin

Are you trying to figure out where these go? I'll I'll never figure out. This piece of paper this one's got an L on it though. There's a piece of paper that's right there that it might give you some issues. It does have magnets so it should be somewhat easy to figure out. Oh I found it. You found it? Yeah it goes underneath the eyepiece. Ah. Oh this is really cool. Yeah one of the things that's really nice about this one that I didn't see on any of the other ones is this piece of foam rubber is very very flexible so it can kind of really seal up against your face. Um look at that that's kind of cool. And again it's all magnetic so it snaps right into place. This is a it's a well-designed well-crafted unit. I kind of like I kind of like it. It's uh how have you used the Quest before? I have used the Quest. Yeah. Do you think that's better than a Quest? I would say yes. Um there's a number of things I don't like about the Quest one is that you need to have a Facebook account. And to me that's kind of a non-starter. Uh that wasn't necessarily true with old Quests. Right you used to be able to... No it's not a you have to have a Meta account not a Facebook account. Not not to have Facebook specifically. Um and the other thing I didn't like about it actually there were a lot of things I did like about it. It it was fun it was the price point is really palatable. And the it was a great foray into it. And you can put Steam on it. You could play any games that you had in Steam with the Steam Link. So it was it was I thought it was it was pretty good. I'm sensing you didn't like the you you didn't like the uh Quest? No I don't mind it. Okay. I I think without a doubt the Apple Vision Pro is a better product. Now Paul and I disagree on this. The ma the Vision Pro only came with a side like a strap to go around your head like I want a top one. I need a strap on the top that made a big difference. Oh yeah we bought one I think and it did make a huge difference.

Paul Engin

So this feels comfortable it feels light I do like the support I did put the additional I didn't do the pat the two level padding just the one. But this is definitely to seal the light coming from underneath the eye as well. Um did you want to try it on? Yeah I'll try it on just to see how it feels. You I did take a picture of you you kind of look like one of those like frogman scuba divers from the movies 'cause you're wearing this like black heavy sweater and it looks like this is like a snorkeling mask alright. Oh yeah it really like really uh sealed in there. I feel like if it were on I'd be able to see something. But right now I see nothing. But it's very comfortable. It seems softer on the face than a lot of the other ones that I've tried. Yeah. You want to try it Jeff? Sure.

Paul Engin

Um and again I think this is something that we have to we'll play with I don't want to hook it all up there's a bunch of steps here um but I it was just so interesting 'cause you sent that text What do you think Jeff? Are the the these pads there? Yeah okay. 'Cause I can see light there's there's some seeping through but I imagine if you if the eye pieces were on it would drown out whatever light's creeping in. Yeah it doesn't quite fit to my face but I do like the material. It's soft. It's very soft material. Very. So premium material as they say. Yeah premium material. What is your what what's your endgame here what what are you gonna do with this?

Paul Engin

So my hope is that um and I'm really excited about the WebXR um is to see what we can do with it. Um my when we do app development and game development in in our ditch 210 we do Android so from Unity we'd be able to port directly to this. But what I'm interested in now is if this WebXR thing is good that might be my third project in the class. If if class you're listening that's gonna be the third project most likely um in that class. And it really is kind of like vibe coding video games almost at this point. Or 3D experiences. Right. Now my issue with this and the Vision in an educational setting is just the price point. Yeah. Um we have several Quest 3s which we will probably do the WebXR in and then this will be for somebody else who is gonna be doing it as a like it'll be another device that they'll be able to use. Sure. Yep. Um but we won't buy like you know 10 of these. And I'm really excited about just the New Media program here in general and I know I wasn't joking when I said if I had to do it again I would definitely do New Media. But this is you are always playing with the latest and greatest technologies and A having a college that kind of supports that and funds that is nice but B being a learner in that program you get hands-on experience with everything. Yeah I'm I'm very excited about our program and I'm the support we get from the school is pretty amazing and uh the students really when you hear that they go to uh another institution or something I think we've heard many a times even the uh camera equipment we have they they're always like oh my gosh you guys have Yeah. newer equipment you guys have nicer equipment we're learning on all of these things and so um I know we're very fortunate and I hope our students understand how fortunate they are. Not in the moment but eventually. Yeah as the the due date for the capstone is quickly approaching. Yes. Um that's awesome. And we you know hot off the heels of airing the the episode with Christie Parker talking about the um the Microsoft HoloLens too. Oh yeah that's right. AR VR XR we have all the Rs. We got we got them all. We got them all. Um so any and I don't want to set it up I was thinking maybe what we could do is once it's set up um come back. In in two weeks when we talk about the vibe coding this will be part two of the unboxing we'll talk about are you gonna vibe code stuff to this? I was just thinking that oh that's so cool! Yeah that would be cool! Because I haven't I haven't done that yet and that would be new for me so. That makes sense. Yeah yeah. Oh yeah. You hit two two birds with one stone. Yeah. Does that make sense Dave? So if I like Yeah. So you gotta level up because you have some programming experience. So like yeah if you that's the this will be a cake walk. But this would be I've never done this point. So so we're holding Paul to a higher standard here. Yes. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Well don't come back if you don't vibe code anything in to the to the to the XR.

Paul Engin

Well if I vibe I couldn't get it to work. I don't have anyone to to call about it. Yeah you're on your own. See now now that's an even playing field. Yeah.

Dave Ghidiu

Alright. Sweet. Alright so. So in two weeks in two weeks we will have an episode about vibe coding and Paul's failure to or success with XR. Our success. With XR. Um yeah I'm excited that'll that'll be really good. Um and Jeff thank you so much I know this was a multi uh faceted uh and unorthodox podcast episode but I think it's nice. Ah I'll do anything for you guys it's fun I'll do it. Yeah you really are the the glue behind this whole operation. He's the brains behind this uh this whole thing. I was like hey Jeff why don't we get six cameras five people in the room... oh yeah we talked about four people probably get how do we get all four of us in the room at the same time I'm like ah I don't know. We'll just stay in the control room. Alright well that's all the time we have today I'm Paul Engin. And I'm Dave Ghidiu. If you enjoyed today's conversation be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. Let's be careful out there folks.

Paul Engin

Um I wanna oh share it with a friend uh colleague uh until next time stay curious stay connected and thanks for looking through the Immersive Lens with us. And uh you you can say your thank yous.

Dave Ghidiu

This episode was engineered by I think Jeff came for a little bit but Hugh Lair did the the lion's share of the work on this one. Thanks Hugh. Yeah and thanks Jenn for coming in. Um I think that that was really cool. We gotta bring her back oh my gosh yeah. She's gonna replace one of us or both of us. Yeah. They're toast. Yeah here we go. This is our last episode until Jenn takes over with Jeff. They will be doing uh season two of Peaky Blinders. That's right. Uh so this was recorded at Finger Lakes Community College Podcast Studios located in beautiful Canandaigua New York in the heart of the Finger Lakes region offering more than 55 degree certificate micro-credential and workforce training programs.

Dave Ghidiu

The asterisk there for micro-credentials also is because we just published on the website the AI Integration Specialist micro-credential. So oh so it's official for starting in the fall. It's official baby. Awesome.

Paul Engin

Thank you to public relations and communications marketing and the FLX AI Hub.

Dave Ghidiu

Eager to delve into your passion? Discover exciting and immersive opportunities at www.flcc.edu. That's right folks you heard him right three Ws.

Paul Engin

As part of our mission at FLCC we are committed to making education accessible innovative and aligned with the needs of both students and employers. I'm gonna have Jeff read this next one. The views expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Finger Lakes Community College. Keep going just keep going. Music by Den from Pixabay. Do it do it do it. This is the Immersive Lens. Oh that was nice.


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