In this episode, the central technology taking the spotlight is agentic AI operating directly on personal hardware, specifically Anthropic's Claude Co-Work capability. This technology matters right now because it transitions AI from a conversational web chatbot into an active, independent assistant capable of managing local files, creating 3D models in Blender, and updating complex curriculum documents without manual user intervention. By granting the AI access to read and manipulate desktop folders, users are entering an era where software can independently execute complex, multi-step workflows.
Paul and Dave offer a balanced perspective on the rapid commercialization and open-source nature of these models, noting Mark Zuckerberg's strategy to democratize AI access to prevent a few mega-corporations from monopolizing the technology. Dave shares his practical experiences testing Claude Co-Work on his local machine, demonstrating how the agent autonomously organizes course materials and bridges local macOS workflows with cloud storage solutions like Google Drive. The final verdict emphasizes that while assigning fully automated capabilities to AI requires a careful review of permissions and a strict "definition of done," the era of highly capable, agentic desktop assistants has definitively arrived.
Key Topics
The Philosophy of Open-Source AI: Mark Zuckerberg's recent manifesto argues that democratizing models is essential to prevent a centralized monopoly over artificial intelligence. Paul highlights that providing broad access empowers society and developers to build localized solutions rather than relying strictly on the ecosystems of a few powerful corporations. The hosts discuss how platforms like Hugging Face support this open-source community, even amid massive industry acquisitions that threaten to consolidate power.
The Unseen Coyote vs. Acme: The podcast takes a brief detour into the entertainment industry, discussing the shelving of the live-action and animated hybrid film Coyote vs. Acme. Despite being fully produced, the studio opted to bury the movie for a massive tax write-off instead of releasing it to the public. The team notes the controversial trend of studios discarding finished creative works for financial maneuvering, effectively keeping the final product out of the hands of consumers.
Claude Co-Work as an Autonomous Agent: Dave breaks down Anthropic's new Claude Co-Work application, which acts as a highly capable agent directly on personal computer desktops. By granting the application permission to control the system and access local folders, users can task Claude with complex workflows like cross-referencing lesson plans and updating global vocabulary lists. This feature transforms generative AI from a passive text generator into an active, file-managing co-worker that operates in the background.
Bridging Local and Cloud Workflows: To solve the challenge of sharing local AI-generated files across devices, Dave engineered a solution by syncing Claude's output folder directly to Google Drive. This setup allows files created by Claude Co-Work on a local machine to instantly populate on other devices without manual file transfers. The episode concludes that effectively utilizing these desktop agents requires setting specific parameters, granting appropriate permissions, and maintaining human oversight to ensure the work meets quality standards.
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Paul Engin Oh, hold on. You got, you got gunk. Dave Ghidiu From these headphones. Paul Engin Yeah, you gotta get it. Dave Ghidiu I'm buying my own pair. Paul Engin Holy crud. It's all over your- Dave Ghidiu Oh, no. Paul Engin Jeff, we need to get Jeff Kidd Well, if Paul wasn't getting a toothbrush, we could probably get new headphones. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Please, please may I have a pair of headphones? No. We're buy- we're buying a $500 toothbrush with the budget. Paul Engin Welcome to the Immersive Lens, the podcast exploring the technologies reshaping how we live, work, and learn. Dave Ghidiu From AI and virtual reality to creative media and design, we're diving into the tools and ideas shaping our connected world. Paul Engin My name is Paul Engen. Join us as we uncover the people and ideas driving the next wave of interactive experiences. Dave Ghidiu And I'm Dave Cadou. This is the Immersive Lens. Paul Engin Welcome, Dave. Welcome. Dave Ghidiu Welcome, Paul. Welcome. Paul Engin So, uh, did you see Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto? Dave Ghidiu Uh, yes. Do you wanna talk about it? Paul Engin Yeah, so, um, it, it was this long, long- Dave Ghidiu It was like 60,000 words or something. Paul Engin It was... Yeah. Yeah, it was long. Um, but he just kinda talked through... He felt it was important to kinda summarize their philosophy in, um, how they're treating AI and their approach to AI, and, um, it was... I know you have a, a, a certain, um, outlook on, on Meta. Dave Ghidiu I know you, I know you have an affinity for Meta. Paul Engin But, um, I think he positioned it how we want... If it's true or not, I don't know, but he positioned it in a way that I think you'd wanna hear. So he positioned it in a way that, um, he was really saying that, um, these models should be accessible to everybody, and that's the only way that we can, like, succeed as a company or as a society. Because if you have one or two companies that, um, hold all of the power of A- of the AI, that mitigates everybody who doesn't have it and- Dave Ghidiu Do you think that's a lesson he learned from buying up every single competitor that ever came across Facebook's way? So, like- Paul Engin Like Instagram? Dave Ghidiu Well, Instagram, WhatsApp. Um- Paul Engin WhatsApp, yeah. Dave Ghidiu Okay. So, and it, it, I think it was closer to 6,500 words, not like 60,000. I was being, it was a little hyperbolic. Paul Engin But it was long. But I think he also brought up, uh... I, I didn't see the... There was an interview he had in another podcast, and I'm not gonna say what podcast 'cause it should've been the Immersive Lens. But, um, he, he did bring up, like, the fact of, uh, you know, we talked about data centers and how, you know, people don't want data centers in their area. But, um, in this manifesto, he talks about that if you are building a data center, that it's important that the company that builds in that area is also supporting the, like, the, the community. So, um, scholarships for teachers or money for schools, or like there's a long-term plan for the, these companies to build the data centers and be integrated into that community versus just building and ignoring the community. Dave Ghidiu Sure. I, I mean, I think that's how all companies everywhere should do business when they're in a community. Paul Engin Yeah. So, and again, I know that some people are, are very skeptical, um, about it, but, um- Dave Ghidiu And I, I will say this. Meta AI had, they were one of the earliest companies to release free, like, open weight- Paul Engin Open weight, yeah Dave Ghidiu ... models, like with Llama and Llama 4. They, like they did it, they did a good job. They were, uh, if, if you're into open source or open weight models, then, um, which I am, then I, I think that they, they put their money where their mouth was. Paul Engin Right. And now it's funny 'cause obviously he's gonna go with the job optimism versus the job pessimism that's happening because of AI. Um, he thinks that, um, the current jobs as we know it might be fewer, uh, they, there might be less of those jobs, but there's gonna be new categories of jobs that will be created based on, um, AI and- Dave Ghidiu Yeah, most technological, like, disruptions do have that, where there's job, severe job loss in the beginning, but then over time, there's new industries that, that happen, that occur. Paul Engin Right. Right. So I, I thought it was good, and I, I do like the open source. I like the... And, and again, I get it. Uh, take it for a grain of the salt, but I, I like the fact that if, i- if there is an open model that we can... Like, I can download Llama and, and run it locally. Well, not on this computer, but on, like, the Spark machine. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Um, but they have smaller models that can run- Dave Ghidiu They do Paul Engin ... on a regular- Dave Ghidiu Yeah, run on your phone. Paul Engin Yeah. So, um, I think that, I think I like that aspect of it. And, um, you know, uh, take it for what it is. I know that he's positioning, um... But his belief is that, you know, every company should have something that's released talking about their philosophy on AI so they understand what the out- final outcome is. So that's just his manifesto. Dave Ghidiu That's true. Okay. Paul Engin So- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ... but I don't know. Dave Ghidiu Well, good, good on him. Paul Engin Yep, yep. All right. So what, what's your, uh- Dave Ghidiu My- Paul Engin ... hot take? Dave Ghidiu ... hot take is Hugging Face, which is, we talked about them a few weeks ago. They were the company that OpenAI's, uh, AI broke into. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu So Hugging Face is a repository online for AI models. They h- they host hun- dozens, thou- hundreds, thousands of, like, AI models, and you can go there, and you can, like, play with some of these models. Paul Engin And mostly open sou- they're are all open source. Dave Ghidiu I don't know if... Are, are all of them open source? It might be. Paul Engin I think- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ... I think most of them or all of them, but I'm not sure. Dave Ghidiu And, uh, they were just bought by Nvidia. But that's not the wildest part So NVIDIA is, you know, the company that's making, like, all the- Paul Engin All the chips and processors, yep Dave Ghidiu ... yeah, all the chips and, um... They bought it, like, for way more than it was worth. Like, I think Hugging Face r- makes roughly, like, $150 million a year, and I think they paid close to, like, 13 billion. Paul Engin Wow. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, or 12 billion. Uh, but it will be... F- for a few reasons. I, uh... It's a, it's a strategic purchase, you know, if, if you are a funnel and r- I think they're gonna use it as a funnel to bring people to NVIDIA and to maybe, if you own the hardware, so there's a nice vertical stack. If you own the hardware and kind of the pipeline for where the models live, then maybe people will design it to be more streamlined with your hardware. So I think, uh, my guess is that's why they did it. Paul Engin Yeah. And it did, I just looked it up. Hugging- Hugging Face is the largest central hub and open source ecosystem for artificial intelligence and machine learning models. Dave Ghidiu Sweet. And, and- Paul Engin And they're massive models Dave Ghidiu ... they are, and it's a fun place. Like, if you go there, if you just wanna, like, kick the tires and have some fun, like, that's a... You can spend a lot of time there looking at, like, different creations people are making and stuff. It's really fun. Paul Engin Yeah, and definitely look up the download. I mean, there's the, uh... Look up the downloads and comments about, um, the, the, the models you download because there's some that are questionable, I would say. Dave Ghidiu Oh, yeah, bad. Paul Engin And, uh, so you might wanna make sure that you, you got, you got a good one. Dave Ghidiu You gotta take, take the, take the good with the bad. Paul Engin But, but that's interesting because they support... I mean, their, their hardware runs most of the servers that, that are hosting this, and- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ... so it makes sense. I think, uh, I heard a keynote that he spoke about the purchase of Hugging Face and how they're aligned. And it, I just spoke about this with Meta, but he feels like there needs to be open models that people have access to. And so he had a similar... I mean, obviously he also have, they have closed models as well as NVIDIA. Dave Ghidiu Sure. Paul Engin But it, it was interesting 'cause he also felt the same thing that Meta felt, which is that it needs to be open for other people to explore and, and discover. So, um, I thought that was good. So, um- Dave Ghidiu And, and Jensen went on record and said that AGI, general artificial intelligence, has been achieved with Astra, which is the new ChatGPT. Now, a lot of people in the industry don't think that't the case, but the fact that someone as prominent as him is making that claim is interesting. Paul Engin Yeah, I heard, I heard a claim that it was gonna be... That we were about six months away from it, but- Dave Ghidiu Well, according to him, it happened last weekend Paul Engin ... it happened last weekend? Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin All right. All right. Dave Ghidiu Uh- Paul Engin More to come. More to come. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. More to come. Paul Engin So, um, I heard that... Jeff, are you there? Jeff Kidd I'm here. Paul Engin Rumor has it that you went to go see Coyote and Acme, the animated live action combo movie. Jeff Kidd You, you s- you pronounce it coyote? Paul Engin Coyote? Jeff Kidd Coyote. Paul Engin Coyote. Jeff Kidd Yeah, coyote. Dave Ghidiu A- a- as in Y-L-E? Paul Engin Y-L-E coyote? Jeff Kidd Y-L-E coyote, yeah. Coyote. Paul Engin Okay. Jeff Kidd I did see it, yes. Paul Engin Thoughts? Is it worth going? Jeff Kidd Ugh. I mean, I'm just gonna be honest- Paul Engin It looked funny Jeff Kidd ... yeah, I'm just gonna be honest. If it weren't for the controversy and the fact that they tried to bury it and then another studio bought it, I wanted to support it. And I went with a friend, and he felt the same way, and I might have chuckled a couple of times. It's, it's pleasant. It was nice. Is it something that I would have gone and s- seen otherwise? No. Paul Engin Mm. Dave Ghidiu Is, is this the one... Is Bill Hader in this? Jeff Kidd No. Dave Ghidiu Okay. Jeff Kidd It's Will Forte. Dave Ghidiu Will, oh, that's, uh... Yes, Will Forte. Thank you. Jeff Kidd Yeah, Will Forte. And everybody did a great job. Everybody did an, an amazing job. It's... The acting is great. They, you know, they lean into the characters, you know, over the top. Um, and, and the interaction with the cartoons, the cartoons look great. The effects look great. It's a great story, but I'm just, you know, not something that I would have done, you know, otherwise. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu Did you feel like it was wa- Do you feel like you were watching Roger Rabbit, too? Jeff Kidd Um, pretty much. Less interacting with, with the cartoons. Dave Ghidiu So, and the, the controversy is, is that, like, they basically, like, made the movie and then never released it, and they, they wa- were gonna, like, destroy it or something? Jeff Kidd Yeah, they just, they used it as a ta- as a, as a f- 30 or $40 million tax write-off. Paul Engin So was it, did they... Is there something that's really bad that happens in it? I'm, like, a- Jeff Kidd No. Paul Engin No? Jeff Kidd No, they were just kinda like... You know, this is not the first st- uh, time a studio has shelved a, you know, not released a... There was a, there was a, um, a Catwoman, uh, movie that was shot that has never seen the light of day. Um- Paul Engin Hmm Jeff Kidd ... the movie studios do that. They just, they just don't release something and write it off. Paul Engin Yeah, what about Superman with, um- Dave Ghidiu Nicholas Cage Paul Engin ... Nicholas Cage? Jeff Kidd Nicholas Cage, sure. Paul Engin Yeah. But rumor is that he's coming back as Superman, right? Dave Ghidiu Well- Paul Engin No Dave Ghidiu ... uh, that might just be an internet rumor, but he was- Paul Engin Oh Dave Ghidiu ... he was Spider- Spider-Man, right? In- Paul Engin Yeah, Noir Jeff Kidd Spider-Man Noir. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, Spider-Man Noir. Paul Engin Spider-Man Noir. Jeff Kidd That's a good show on Amazon. Paul Engin I gotta, I gotta check that out. All right, very good. So- Jeff Kidd But you know what? You know, it, it, it was f- pleasant enough, just not something that I would have seen, you know, on, you know... A- and I really wanted to bring... I have a four-year-old. I tried to show him the trailer, and he lost interest in the trailer. Dave Ghidiu Hmm. Jeff Kidd It's definitely not fast enough for a four-year-old. Dave Ghidiu Perhaps that's, like, the one cartoon that was kind of a staple in our childhoods but does not stand the test of time and, like, people won't watch it. Like, I feel like some movies like Goonies or maybe some of the original, like, Disney movies from the '90s, like, kids today these would watch, but maybe not Wile E. Coyote. Paul Engin Gotcha. Dave Ghidiu It, s- because it's so predictable. That stupid Road Runner always outsmarts him. Jeff Kidd Well, uh, no spoilers. Dave Ghidiu Okay. Paul Engin All right. Dave Ghidiu Oh, are you saying what I think you're saying? Jeff Kidd No. Dave Ghidiu That the coyote finally gets the Road Runner? Jeff Kidd There's a... I'll just say, there was an opportunity. Dave Ghidiu Does it end in carnage? Jeff Kidd No. Dave Ghidiu Oh. Jeff Kidd It's, it's still a cartoon movie. Dave Ghidiu I want it to end in carnage. Jeff Kidd It's a kids movie. No, no. Dave Ghidiu All right. Paul Engin All right. All right. Jeff Kidd Did you wanna go see it? Paul Engin I was, uh, I was thinking about it 'cause I, I like the combo of, uh, the animated ani- animation integrated into live action. Um, and it looked like it was silly, but I just can't... I don't know. That's why I was wondering if you were like, "You should, you should go check it out for X, Y, Z," but if it's not entertaining, then- Jeff Kidd Other than supporting, you know, the studio that bought it. And it, and it's in... And it, and it... We stayed for the credits, and they thanked the audience. Like, it's, "Thanks to you that we got- Dave Ghidiu Mm-hmm Jeff Kidd ... to put this out." And that's, that was enough for me. Like, I wanna support, you know, everyone involved that made that thing. Dave Ghidiu At, at the end of it, did, did it go, "Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun," and have- Jeff Kidd It's like- Dave Ghidiu ... Porky Pig come out or something? Jeff Kidd Again... No, no, no, they didn't do that, but it's in there. Dave Ghidiu Okay. All right. Paul Engin All right. Dave Ghidiu All right. Cool. Paul Engin Well, good to know. Thank you, thank you. Dave Ghidiu Yep. Paul Engin All right. That was our music re- our movie review- Dave Ghidiu Movie review Paul Engin ... by, by Jeff. Jeff Kidd Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Paul Engin All right. Dave Ghidiu And that's it. Paul Engin So now, our hot take for... Our, our, our headline. Dave Ghidiu Our headline? Paul Engin No. Dave Ghidiu It... This- Paul Engin Our deep dive. Dave Ghidiu Our deep dive. Paul Engin Oh my gosh. Dave Ghidiu We... This, this show's gotten too complicated. Paul Engin I know. Dave Ghidiu It's too complex. Paul Engin Our deep dive for today is gonna be Claude Cowork. And- Dave Ghidiu Claude Cowork Paul Engin ... you're gonna enlighten us. Dave Ghidiu I'm gonna describe what it is- Paul Engin Yes Dave Ghidiu ... and then maybe give you a good value proposition of why I think it's the way to go with Claude. Paul Engin Okay. That sounds good. Dave Ghidiu Okay. All right, was that your volume or your mic? Paul Engin Vol- That's good, thank you. Dave Ghidiu Oh, okay. Paul Engin Thank you. Dave Ghidiu Yes. Paul, who is an AV genius, just went to turn down his volume and hit the wrong knob. I think. I blew you in, man. I blew you in. Paul Engin Yes. No, y- I did hit the wrong knob. Dave Ghidiu Okay. Paul Engin So you, you got the correct one. Dave Ghidiu Now that I know that your volume is here, I'm gonna s- Paul Engin Crank it up Dave Ghidiu ... crank it up. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Crank it down. Okay. So, uh, Claude Cowork, not Claude Code. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu Claude Cowork. If you install the desktop application- Paul Engin Mm-hmm Dave Ghidiu ... which I can now do because I have a MacBook Neo, thank you, Dab- Paul Engin Thank you, Dab. Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Uh- Paul Engin And Jeff. Dave Ghidiu And Jeff. Jeff really was the brains behind this operation. Paul Engin Yeah, he was the catalyst. Yeah. Dave Ghidiu I, I owe him big time. Paul Engin Yeah. He's trying to get me a toothbrush. If you got a Neo, and I mean, he wants to get me a toothbrush. I mean- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ... how about a foldable phone or a- Dave Ghidiu Nope, gotta get the toothbrush Paul Engin ... a pair of headphones? Dave Ghidiu Pair. Pair of headphones. Okay. So the Claude Cowork is... It uses all the power of Claude, for instance, the chat, but it... When you put it on your computer, it has access to files and folders. And so you might think like, "Okay, well, what's the big deal?" 'Cause like, uh, I can always upload files and folders to a project or something like that. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu And the difference is if you upload, say, four or five files or 10 files for a project you're working on into Claude, just the regular Claude chat, then it's, it's not as easy to retrieve them. Like, the files live there, so if you wanna use it you have to kinda like download it, especially if it's been like updated. And Claude Cowork will give you a folder. You can designate a folder on your desktop or in your documents or wherever, and it can keep all the folder, all the files there. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu Does that make sense? Paul Engin Yep. Dave Ghidiu So for instance, I'm... For the work I'm doing, and, and again, like, as you're listening to this, you should be kinda considering your use case, but the work I'm doing is I am developing curriculum for a course I teach. And so I might have like 30 or 40 documents that would be like maybe one lesson for each, like one document for each lesson. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu And th- this is the really wild part. So without going into too deep of a dive, I have learning outcomes. We have like three or four outcomes for the course, and then I also have for each chapter I have some outcomes for each chapter. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu And those are kinda derivatives that inform, that are informed by like the outcomes for the whole course- Paul Engin Mm-hmm Dave Ghidiu ... but they, they're more granular. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu And so working with Claude Cowork, now I have this folder on my desktop, and it has like maybe a folder inside that for each chapter, and then it has like five or six lessons in each chapter. And Claude Cowork, every time I introduce a new lesson, it's like, "Okay, Dave, so now the, the lesson count is 37 lessons." And I can now update how many of those lessons, which one is using learning outcome one, two, or three, and it can reconfigure all those files. And I've also created a vocabulary document. So this is like a running vocab list. So every time I create a new lesson and it has vocab words, it adds it to that one document. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu And so now throughout the course when it, when it's time to build, and it would be like, it basically does that all the time, it'll be like, "Okay, Dave, like you've added another lesson. Let's rebuild it." And it will go through all those files on my computer, and any time it sees a vocabulary word that's in that list, it will hyperlink it. So now in those lessons, if you hover over a word, it will go to that vocabulary document, grab the most recent, or grab that word, and put it like in a little modal so you can see it. Does that make sense? Paul Engin Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dave Ghidiu So it's really like building all these things. So now I can say, "Okay, Claude, show me all the lessons that, uh, that live up to outcomes one and three but also are, have interactive things." So now it's a personal assistant that's really helped me kinda structure everything that we're doing, and it's very good at, um, making these interactive. So every lesson I have now has an interactive. So you can, as you read, you do a little bit of reading, and then it's like, "Okay, l- well, let's test, like, your understanding." And it might be like, um, it, one of, one of the wo- words, one of the lessons on tokens in AI. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu So like word, we typically think of a word as a token. Paul Engin As a token, yeah. Dave Ghidiu But really it can break that word up- Paul Engin Right, right- Dave Ghidiu ... into two or three- Paul Engin ... if it's a longer word or, yeah- Dave Ghidiu Or the context. So the same word- Paul Engin Yeah Dave Ghidiu ... might be broken up different ways. Um, so this is like a tokenizer that visualizes. So you can type in a word like hippopotamus, and it'll show you what the tokens are. So then you can be like, "Oh, that's weird." So I'm building these interactives. And now Claude Code can be like, "You know what, Dave? I'm not gonna actually put it in the lesson. I'm gonna put it in this other place over here, but when I build the lesson, the, your lesson will say, 'Let's put in that tokenizer.' And then I'll take it and put it in there. I'll take a carbon copy of it." Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu So now I can have that tokenizer in like three or four different lessons. So it's really m- it's, it's the way that professional software, and this isn't even software I'm making, should be designed. Paul Engin Right. Dave Ghidiu And I, I don't have the chops for that, but Claude Code is, is like understood kinda what I wanted to do- Paul Engin Right Dave Ghidiu ... with the vocab interactive. So that's one use case. Paul Engin That's very cool. Can I ask you- Dave Ghidiu Mm-hmm Paul Engin ... are you typing the prompt, or are you actually talking now? I know that you talk on your, on your Drive, but- Dave Ghidiu Yes Paul Engin ... I'm not- Paul Engin I'm still typing, and I'm re- I, I wanna start getting into talking Dave Ghidiu What a chump, man. Paul Engin I know. Dave Ghidiu Typing is so 2000 and late. Paul Engin I know. Dave Ghidiu Late teen. Um, I actually am typing. So I, I go between typing and talking, but the... I think the latest, the, the trend is moving towards talking, and there's... For your Mac, you can get something called WhisperFlow- Paul Engin Yeah Dave Ghidiu ... which is really cool because it will take... If I were talking, I might have some, I might... Like I am right now, I'm like, "Oh, I'm changing stream halfway through, and I wanna have a different... " Oh, I, I... That's not the sentence I wanna say. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu And so WhisperFlow listens to what you sa- say, and there's other software out there that does this, too, and then kind of uses AI to structure into a more coherent prompt, and then it will add that prompt. It will... That will be your prompt. So there's, you're using AI to help you make the prompt. Paul Engin Okay. And is that an over... Like, so that's running while, while you're in... Like, is that a plugin for Claude or GPT, or is it a- Dave Ghidiu It's for your computer Paul Engin ... it's for the computer itself. Dave Ghidiu So you can use it on any input. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu And ChatGPT actually has one built in. I think it's called Whisper, and Google Gemini has one called Rambler. So they, they have their own ones. I don't know if Claude has one yet, but, um, WhisperFlow. And Kurt, uh, from, um, who, who works here, taught me about WhisperFlow last year. It's really cool. Paul Engin Very cool. I'll, I'll have to de- definitely check it out. Dave Ghidiu Um, oh, I thought that your Wi-Fi was broken. Paul Engin It, it, you know. Dave Ghidiu Oh, yeah. Paul Engin Who knows? Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Who knows? Dave Ghidiu So, so that's one use of Claude Code, but, but that's not all. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu I'm sorry, Claude Cowork. Um, it can use software on your computer, and, uh, and it can, um... You can do it from your phone. So, like, let's say that I... And I did this earlier today. I open up Claude, and I was like, "Can you make me a 3D dragon using Blender?" And Blender's that 3D- Paul Engin Mm-hmm Dave Ghidiu ... software. And it's like, "Okay." And so it took, like, 20 or 30 minutes, and this is what we call agental AI because you're giving it several tasks. Um, so, like, my prompts might be, like, "Okay, here's what I need you to do," and I'm gonna go back to my class. I'm, I'm gonna say, "I want you to go through every single lesson that we've done and look for the word token, and I need you to count up and give me a list of, like, which lessons say token and how many times. But then I want you to take that and make a graph for that. And not just, like, a bar graph. I want you to make a connected graph so I can see which lessons are connected to the word token. And then after you're done with that, can you build a 3D visualization of that and then insert that into the end of every lesson? And by the way, while you're going through there, um, I forgot to license my content as Creative Commons, so can you make sure when you're touching every lesson to put the Creative Commons licensing in there?" So I've just given Claude several tasks to do. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu And it's like, "Okay, I'll see you when I see you," and it might be 10 minutes or 15 minutes. So the agents are w- and I'm always blown away, and I, I tell people all the time, like, if you don't know what AI can do, just ask it to do something, something you think is impossible, kinda like John Wick, like it was an impossible- ... task, and it will do it. So I'm giving it these really nuanced, like, complicated, unrelated tasks all in one prompt, and it's like, "Yeah, I got you." Paul Engin Well, you completely threw me off when you said you didn't even have Blender installed. Dave Ghidiu So, so I do have it on my MacBook Neo. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu Um, but- Paul Engin You do? Okay. Dave Ghidiu But w- I, this, the dragon thing that I did last week, I was driving home, thinking about Fourth Wing, and I was like, "I really want a dragon." And so I was talking with Claude, and I was like, "Can you build me a dragon in Blender?" And I was on my phone, and I don't have Blender on my phone. Paul Engin Right, right. Dave Ghidiu And it was like, "Yeah, sure." And it's like, "You know what? I don't see Blender on your phone, um, but I can just, like, download it and run it in my memory." I was like, "Okay." So it did, and it, by the time I got home, it had built a nice dragon for me. Paul Engin And then, like, when you got home, you opened up the prompt, and then y- Dave Ghidiu It, it- Paul Engin It gave, it gave you a Blender file? Dave Ghidiu I open up... Well, with Cowork, it actually... And this is a wild thing. So Cowork will actually store the files on my Mac, which makes it a lot easier for me to sift through as opposed to, like- Paul Engin Okay, so on the... Hold on. So you have the Mac running at home. Dave Ghidiu Oh, yeah. Paul Engin So it's, it's gotta be open. Dave Ghidiu Yes. Paul Engin It's gotta be open, and it's gotta be on. But then you can be on your phone- Dave Ghidiu Mm-hmm Paul Engin ... and you can tell Claude Cowork- Dave Ghidiu Yes Paul Engin ... and it will go on your Mac, and it'll do- Dave Ghidiu It will do it Paul Engin ... like, it ta- they can, it can talk to each other? Dave Ghidiu Well, so it didn't run Blender in that particular case. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu So there's two things going on here. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu One is it can run some software, like Blender, in its memory without having to install it anywhere. It just installs it in Claude's memory. Paul Engin Oh. Dave Ghidiu So it never downloaded Claude to my computer- Paul Engin Right Dave Ghidiu ... or my phone. It just used Claude- Paul Engin You mean Blender? Dave Ghidiu Blender. Thank you. Paul Engin Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. It used Blender, like, we call it headless in the biz, where there's, like, no display, just, like, like, running in memory. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu So, um, so that's one thing. But the other thing is, Blender aside, any time I say, like, "Hey, create an HTML document, create a game, create, uh, a PDF," when I get home, I just go onto my Mac, and I can see the folder right there, and it has all those assets in it. Paul Engin So do you have to designate the folder before you get on your phone, or can you from your phone say, "Use this"? Dave Ghidiu You have to give it access. So I have, like, a catchall folder. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu And then I can move things if I need. Paul Engin Right, right. Dave Ghidiu And, and it's very rare when I need to do that because, like, if I, say I wanted to dr- do that dragon when I was driving and I didn't have a Cowork project for dragon, it can't create the folder. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu But it can still go through the motions, and then when I get home, I can assign it a folder, and we'll dump all that stuff in there. Paul Engin Oh, okay. Dave Ghidiu Which is also nice when my Mac is turned off and I still wanna work on some of those projects, I can. And it just, it would be like, "Hey, I, the connection's, like, uh, terminated with your Mac. I'm gonna continue to do this, and then when you turn your Mac on, I'll just download them to your Mac." Paul Engin That's cool. Dave Ghidiu Yes. Now, for the nerdy part, so I was talking to my wife, um, Katie, friend of, friend of the- Paul Engin Friend of the pod Dave Ghidiu ... friend of the pod. Paul Engin Lenze. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. She's a Lenze, uh, host, co- uh, guest. Paul Engin Ho- uh, guest, guest. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. So she was like, "Dave, this is great, but, like, do you back your work up?" 'Cause I've been living on Chromebooks for the last 10 years, and you don't have to back anything up on a Chromebook. I was like, "Oh, thank God I'm married to you." So I was like, "How am I gonna do this?" So what I did is I installed the Google Drive desktop app. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu And I assigned it that folder. So now anything that goes onto my Mac also goes on my Chromebook or goes into- Paul Engin Right Dave Ghidiu ... Google- Paul Engin In the Drive. Right Dave Ghidiu ... and, and that syncs to my Chromebook. So now I can run any file that Claude makes on my Mac automatically goes to my Chromebook. Paul Engin That's pretty cool. Dave Ghidiu It is. Paul Engin That's a great idea. Dave Ghidiu Yes. Um, so, and, and that- Paul Engin That's a nice tip. That is a really nice tip, yeah Dave Ghidiu ... yeah, that's a good pro tip. Um, which is really nice be- And so, okay, so it, but it doesn't end there. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu So I was like, "Oh, this is cool." And you can imagine, like, m- some of the use case would be like, say, you're doing a lot of data analysis, and you have like 10, 15, 20, 30 different Excel files. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu Just throw them in that folder and be like, "Look for this trend," or do whatever, or, "Make me an interactive, um, website based on this data." Paul Engin All right. So I open up Claude, I pick Cowork, and then there's a little f- a little icon that then I have to click on, and it, I have to pick that folder. Dave Ghidiu Correct. Paul Engin And then in that folder, I drop 20 Excel documents with a whole bunch of data. Dave Ghidiu Mm-hmm. Paul Engin Okay, and then go ahead? Dave Ghidiu Yeah. And then, um, you can say like, "Hey, traverse all this..." Uh, and this is a very high-level example, so m- it's gonna be a little abstract. But you'd be like, "Go through every single one of these. Find this trend that I'm looking for. Find data that supports it, but also find data that might, m- um- Paul Engin Contradict it, yeah Dave Ghidiu ... go against it. And, and give me, like, a gap analysis or give me some type..." So you can task it to do a lot of data analysis, um, right on your desktop. And then if you add more files, you can be like, "Hey, can you do it again?" Um... Paul Engin That's really cool. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. It, it's, it's pretty wild. Um, but that's not all. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu So- Paul Engin All right Dave Ghidiu ... um, so then I was like, well, Google ha- and ChatGPT has an analogous program as well, but Google has one called Spark, which is the same kind of thing. Paul Engin Okay. It's like, uh, Cowork? Dave Ghidiu Yeah, it's like Co- Cowork. Paul Engin Okay. Dave Ghidiu And it runs in the cloud. So for instance, we have a- Paul Engin Like Google Drive? Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Oh. Dave Ghidiu So we have a, an o- we have a textbook that we use for our security class we teach here- Paul Engin Yeah Dave Ghidiu ... uh, information security, and when we were writing the textbook, we put in a lot of examples at the time. This is, we wrote the book, I think, in 2017 or '18, and so we had a lot of, like, up-to-date cyber, like, um, m- m- m- uh, cyber crime and like- Paul Engin Outdated case studies and- Dave Ghidiu Yeah, yeah Paul Engin ... yeah, yeah, yeah. Dave Ghidiu So like it's, it's approaching 10 years. So I just open up Spark, which I can do from Drive, I can do from my, my app. Paul Engin Which is Google's Co- Dave Ghidiu Cowork Paul Engin ... Cowork, okay. Dave Ghidiu And I can say, "Here's the folder with all the... Go through here. Any case study or any study or any example that's more than four years old, get rid of it. F- go online, find an analogous example, and write it in the tone of this book, and just insert it." And then, then I was like, "But I also need you to leave comments in the margin so I can review these." Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu And so it does it. Paul Engin Oh, wow. Dave Ghidiu But then you can also install the Google Gemini app on your computer, which I also did. Thank you, Jeff. And, uh, because now I have a MacBook Neo. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu And so I installed Google Gemini, and it will... You can also assign it a folder. Paul Engin A, a physical folder, not a virtual drive. Dave Ghidiu Correct. Paul Engin Like not the Google Drive. Dave Ghidiu So- Paul Engin Okay Dave Ghidiu ... so now I have a folder for Claude and a folder for Gemini. And so for Gemini, just for fun the other day, so I've, I was like, "I m- I wanna do like a Roblox-type game." And so I was driving, and I was like, "Gemini, can you..." Um, actually, I wasn't driving for this one. Um, I was like, "Can you make me a Roblo-" And then I described it. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu And it's like, "Okay." And then it just puts it in the folder. So now I can use any of these, uh, agents- Paul Engin Right Dave Ghidiu ... on my computer, and then, uh, it, because it's synced to Google Drive, I can see it anywhere. So the whole takeaway from this- Paul Engin Yeah Dave Ghidiu ... is if you are using projects, and I think this is a good example. Like, a lot of times if you're just doing a chat- Paul Engin Yeah Dave Ghidiu ... there's no value in going through, um- Paul Engin Like a single, a single interaction. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu But for, I've been using projects for a while, where you have like three, four, five, six, seven- Paul Engin Oh, yeah Dave Ghidiu ... 12 different, like, chats related to one project. Um, and so I, I don't even use projects anymore. I just use Google... Or I'm sorry- Paul Engin Cowork Dave Ghidiu ... Claude Cowork. And the other advantage is, and this is really wild, you can see in, in the, um, in the project, like, you can see all the files, the directives that Claude is making. Like, these are files under the hood. So for instance, when I was talking about designing a course- Paul Engin Oh, yeah, yeah Dave Ghidiu ... as we were designing it, it was like, "Oh, that's a good design principle. I'll put that in. Here's the font you want. Here's the colors you want." But then also like, "Oh, I see every lesson has 10 beats where you, you have flashcards from a previous lesson, and then you have to, like, recall things." Paul Engin Right, right. Dave Ghidiu Um, so it was keeping track of all this. So I have, like, 10 or 12 different files in, um, in my docu- in, in Claude Cowork that I would never see other than, like, it gives me access to them now. So now I can see, like, the, the memory it has, which is really, really cool. Paul Engin That's really neat. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin And then, and you can see what they reference. Dave Ghidiu You can see what they reference. Paul Engin So are they physical files that are stored on your system, or are they memory? Because I know, like, when I'm in Claude, I have to, um, compact- Dave Ghidiu Mm-hmm Paul Engin ... after I get to too long. Dave Ghidiu Sure. Paul Engin Does that erase it? 'Cause before it compacts, I always go, "Please update anything that's relevant in the, you know- Dave Ghidiu It- Paul Engin ... the MD file." Dave Ghidiu It tracks this automatically. I don't touch a thing. Like, if- Paul Engin Oh Dave Ghidiu ... if I didn't go poking around, I would not know there's 15 files in here that are the design guidelines in the memory for, like, what we're doing, which is really nice because now when I go to make a lesson, I don't have to say, like, "Here's the structure of it." It's like, "Okay, Dave, you have 10 beats. Um, don't worry about the flashcards. I will randomly pick them from the previous chapters. Don't worry about, like, the prediction questions." So it knows all this because it has the, these marked-down files. Paul Engin The memory. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin That's great. Dave Ghidiu So- Paul Engin That's really good Dave Ghidiu ... yeah, so the memory issue, I haven't run into, like, a context window, like, overshoot, or I haven't run into, like, any type of drift or anything like that because all these files are self-contained in the, the project. It's, it's- Paul Engin Oh, man Dave Ghidiu ... it's magnificent. Paul Engin That's a great idea. Now, did it tell you that it's gonna create these files? Or did you say, "Make sure you create a-" Dave Ghidiu I never told it Paul Engin ... "MD file"? Dave Ghidiu I never said a word. Paul Engin Hmm. Dave Ghidiu Um- Paul Engin That's really neat Dave Ghidiu ... and they do exist in projects. Paul Engin Yeah, yeah. Dave Ghidiu In fact, I'm in a project as I'm looking at this. But, um, th- uh, there's just something about using Cowork where you can grab the files and dump files and access files. Paul Engin And it, and it works in the folder, and it- ... updates the file. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu It- Paul Engin Now, do you, do you have to okay everything, or did you allow it? Dave Ghidiu Oh, so- Paul Engin So what is your permission level? Dave Ghidiu I'm very permissive. Uh, with- Paul Engin What is the- Dave Ghidiu ... Claude Cowork Paul Engin ... what are, what are the options here? Dave Ghidiu With Claude Cowork, there's two: manually approve or automatically approve. Paul Engin Oh. Dave Ghidiu Now, I also use Claude Code. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu And they had th- two or three settings, and they, and then they, there was one called, like, Automatic, which was like- Paul Engin Just let it go Dave Ghidiu ... let her rip, baby. And they fou- they did a study, and they found that when there was manual intervention, so, like, if someone didn't go up all the way to fully automatic, that, like, 85% of the time it was making the right decision. But they found that with manual decisions, people were making more wrong decisions than Claude was making. So now the default is automatic in Claude Code. Paul Engin Really? Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Oh, 'cause I, you know what? I, I ... So when I'm coding, I always do... Well, because I need it to ask me questions, you know? It, it, it prompts you with, like, a series of questions sometimes, and, um, I, I just wanna make sure that it's approaching it the way I think it should be approached. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin And so, um, I haven't done a full... I haven't committed to the full, like, just you go crazy. Dave Ghidiu Do it. Do, do it. And, and I, I'll say this. It, it, there is this, this, like, um, th- one of the reasons why I like having the automatic is, A, it's just a lot easier, and usually Claude makes the right decision, but now I know that I'm on the hook for reviewing every single word that comes out of there before I publish it. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Like, if it was manual, I might feel a little bit different about that, but this just kind of forces me to be that, that last eyes. Paul Engin I got it, yeah. I got you. Dave Ghidiu So- Paul Engin Very cool. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. So I'm just gonna show you, this is the, the course that I designed. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu And I know that the users can't see this, um, but it has, like, every module, um... It, it has, uh, instructions on how to use the course. So, like, anyone can go to this course and take it. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu Um, but it, it asks you, it does, like, a pre-check, which I didn't ask it to do. It was like, "Dave, you should probably do something like a pre-check." So you can say, like, where, what models you're using, and it, it just kinda, like, is an onboarding. Paul Engin I have the same thing. Dave Ghidiu Oh, do you? Paul Engin Yeah, yeah. Dave Ghidiu Um, but here's the vocab one. So I'm just gonna pick any particular random lesson. Paul Engin Uh-huh. And he's going through, um, just a website right now. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, but this is- Paul Engin Oh, that's awesome. Dave Ghidiu I- Paul Engin And that references the- Dave Ghidiu Yeah, the, the vocabulary document Paul Engin ... vocabulary. Dave Ghidiu And you can see there's, like, all these different kinda, like, illustration stuff. Um, so it's done illustrations. Paul Engin That's really nice. Dave Ghidiu It's done all these interactives. Um, but the, the last thing I wanna say about this, 'cause I know we're running out of time, uh, if you don't know what you can use Claude Cowork for, u- use Claude Cowork and find out. Not, ask it, like, "Hey, how can I use you?" Just, like, start using it if you're doing anything. Paul Engin So can I ask you, can Cowork be automated to do things? Like, can, can it be... Like, you know, I always hear- Or is that an agent that is running? Like, is that something different than Cowork? You know what I mean? Can I, 'cause I know there's, like, schedule. Can I schedule Cowork to, to, to do something every Monday? Like, get my, uh- Dave Ghidiu Y- yes, and the reason I know that is because Cla- Claude was like, "Okay, h- for your course, I think we should design this software." It's basically like a discussion board, but it's got some features in it that Brightspace doesn't have. And I was like, "That's great." And it designed it, and then it was like, okay, so now this is in the course, and it thought it was in the course, and I hadn't put it in the course yet. And it was like w- as we were working, uh, Cla- Claude Cowork was, was like, "Okay, well maybe in this lesson you should reference a board." I was like, "Listen, I gotta level with you. I, I am, like, I did not put it in the course yet." "Like, I, I wanna vet it." Paul Engin Was it mad at you? Dave Ghidiu No, but it was like, "Oh, would you like me to, like, ask you, like, every week, like, if it, if you've put it in the course yet?" Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu And I was like, "Yeah." And so, like, then it scheduled a task. It's like automatically I will touch base with Dave sporadically, probably every Monday, to see if he's put it in the course yet. Paul Engin So what hap- When you log onto your computer or when you open up Claude, it says, "Hey, did you-" Dave Ghidiu I'll let you know Monday, 'cause we just had this conversation yesterday with Claude. Paul Engin Oh, okay. Dave Ghidiu So, so I don't know what... But, but seeing the interface makes me think like, oh, this is a, this is a legitimate, uh, feature in Claude Cowork where you can come up, like, with tasks. Paul Engin That's really neat. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin So definitely something I need to explore more. I've been, I used it a little bit for, um, some of my, uh, online tutorial development. Um, and I've been really happy with it. Um, but it seems like you could do a lot more with it. You just have to play. But I haven't committed to the full auto. Dave Ghidiu D- c- uh, yeah, I mean, you do you. Don't let me, like- Paul Engin Yeah, yeah Dave Ghidiu ... yuck your yum. But I will say, like, going full auto has been great for me. It gives me time to... I don't have to worry about it. I can work with other tasks- Paul Engin Yes Dave Ghidiu ... and then come back to it and review it. Paul Engin 'Cause that's what I found. I was frustrated 'cause I'd run, I'd, I'd run, and I'd be thinking and thinking and thinking and doing, and then I'd be like, "All right, I'm gonna go grab something." And as soon, I know, uh, as soon as I walked out, boop- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ... it asked me for a question, and I was like- Dave Ghidiu For manual, like, intervention. Paul Engin Yeah, yeah. And I'm like ... Dave Ghidiu Well, that's the nice thing about Claude Cowork is that w- notification will pop up on your phone too. So if you're going to the kitchen- Paul Engin Oh Dave Ghidiu ... to get a drink, it's like- Paul Engin No Dave Ghidiu ... "Hey, you gotta answer this question." Paul Engin And it, and I'd be able to answer it on my phone? Dave Ghidiu Oh, yeah. Paul Engin Oh, I gotta try that. See, that, that would be nice. Dave Ghidiu The, the s- Paul Engin 'Cause then- Dave Ghidiu ... the syncing across devices just came out in July. Paul Engin Okay, so that is pretty- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ... pretty recent. Okay. Very cool. Dave Ghidiu It is really cool, and y- I think you might need to pay the 20 bucks a month to, to use it. Paul Engin To use it. Dave Ghidiu It's totally worth it. Um, I haven't used the ChatGPT one, but I have been kicking the tires on the Gemini one. The Gemini one is better, I think, for a lot of the cloud stuff, but I've started using it with the desktop version too just to kinda compare. Paul Engin Well, and it's funny because with Cowork, because it's working inside of that Goog- Google Drive, it, you're kind of - Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ... you get best of both worlds. Dave Ghidiu Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's pretty incredible. Paul Engin All right. So for, um, something that there's a bunch of data, a bunch of files, um, you can put it into a folder, you can point Claude Cowork to that folder- Dave Ghidiu Mm-hmm Paul Engin ... and then you can ask it to- To look into all of those files- Dave Ghidiu Or create files and put them in a folder Paul Engin ... or create, and it would create it in that folder. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. And so I, I just wanna give, like, another example of, um, th- why you might wanna use Cloud Cowork for this. And you could do it in, th- you could do what I'm about to say, like, in a project, but then you have to download 20 files. Paul Engin Right. Dave Ghidiu So s- say you have 20 files, and you're like, "Okay, I'm gonna add a 21st." But in every file, I say th- this is file three of 20, like, in the footer. Paul Engin Right. Dave Ghidiu So now, if you add a s- uh, another file, now you have 21. Y- in the old days, you'd have to go back and change that in each one. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Cloud's like, will automatically do it. Project manages for me. Paul Engin Oh, nice. Dave Ghidiu So, so it will update all that, and then if there's a table of contents and I, like, insert one, like, halfway through, like, file 13, oh, I need a new file, like, after that but before 14. So now the table of contents gets updated. It just does, like, all that, like, the tedious things that I w- dread doing. Paul Engin That's really great. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin That's amazing. Dave Ghidiu And most of the time, it makes that recommendation. So if I put in that new chapter 13 or 14- Paul Engin Yeah Dave Ghidiu ... it would say, "Hey, Dave, do you want me to, like, update everything for you?" I'm like, "Yeah." And a lot of times, it will actually, if I'm doing more complicated stuff, it will say, uh, "Okay, I did this," but then I found there was a mistake when I was checking my work. Um, and, and then I fixed it. So it's doing this, i- in the biz we call it the definition of done or loops. Paul Engin Yeah. Dave Ghidiu Where you say, like, "Don't stop until, like, it passes this test." It does that automatically. I don't have to tell it to do that. Paul Engin Yeah. So I noticed that, but I did also notice when I was, uh, doing my thing, I was like, uh, I wanted to insert... What was it? Um, I wanted to insert something that, that it missed, and it, it, it just, in the PowerPoint, when I was scanning my PowerPoints, it missed a certain topic. And I said, um, "This was missed. I, I wanna add this topic in." And so it added it, but it didn't... It focused on that, that lesson folder. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin And then I go, "Did you update the global, the master schedule? Did you update the reference to this?" Dave Ghidiu Oh. Paul Engin And it said, "Oh, you're right. I will do that." And, but then after that, after I do that one time- Dave Ghidiu It did that every time? Paul Engin Yes. Dave Ghidiu Yes. Paul Engin It says... So, so then if I inserted something else, it goes, "Why don't I look at the entire course over, make sure that there isn't anything?" But you need it that one ti- and I'm just saying that that human interaction is still, even, even though it's wonderful, and it, I think it's very s- time-consuming, you need that one, like- Dave Ghidiu To kick it off Paul Engin ... to kick it off. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Um- Dave Ghidiu I, I suspect it'll get better at that, too. Paul Engin Yeah, like, it'll know- Dave Ghidiu Yeah Paul Engin ... ahead of time. Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Yeah, very cool. Very cool. So, um, highly recommend using Cloud Code and, or Cowork. Dave Ghidiu Cowork. Paul Engin Sorry, Cowork. Um- Dave Ghidiu Even for coding. Like, a lot of the coding I'm doing, I'm just using Co- Cowork. Paul Engin Oh, really? Dave Ghidiu If it's HTML, yeah. Paul Engin And it's just developing it for you- Dave Ghidiu Oh, yeah Paul Engin ... without VS Code and- Dave Ghidiu Correct. Now, I could, if I were doing, like, a lot of complicated coding work, I might go to, back to Code. Paul Engin Mm-hmm. Dave Ghidiu But the stuff I'm doing is lightweight. Like, anything that's HTML, CSS, JavaScript, pff, that's Cl- Cloud Cowork. Paul Engin Cloud Cowork? Dave Ghidiu Yeah. Paul Engin Very cool. All right. So go, go try it, everyone. Cloud Cowork, um, backed by, uh, Dave. Dave Ghidiu Yes. Paul Engin Very good. All right. Um, so my name is Paul Engen. Dave Ghidiu And I'm Dave Gedu. If you enjoyed the conversation today, please be sure to smash that like and subscribe button so you never miss an episode. They're all great. Let's be careful out there, folks. Paul Engin Share it with a friend, family, or enemy. Dave Ghidiu Or enemy. Paul Engin Or enemy. 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