The tech landscape is accelerating at a breakneck pace, and this week’s episode dives headfirst into the reality of autonomous AI agents and smart home ecosystems. The big idea taking center stage is the shift from conversational AI to agentic workflows, featuring tools that do not just answer questions, but actively execute tasks like scheduling and emailing on your behalf. Coupled with Apple's impending push into the smart home space and Google's new vibe-coding game creation tools, the conversation highlights how technology is integrating deeply into our physical and digital routines.
Paul, Dave, and Jeff offer a grounded, critical perspective on these rapid advancements, balancing their enthusiasm for new hardware with valid concerns regarding data privacy and corporate consolidation. While they marvel at the potential of natural-language coding platforms and the impressive physical design of new laptops, they are quick to scrutinize Meta's data profiling practices and the staggering $110 billion SkyDance acquisition that threatens media diversity. Ultimately, their verdict is one of cautious optimism: the tools for creation and convenience have never been more powerful, but users must remain vigilant about privacy and the increasing centralization of the tech and entertainment industries.
Key Topics
The Agentic Era Arrives: With companies rapidly deploying AI that can execute tasks rather than just generate text, the focus is shifting toward fully autonomous digital assistants. Paul and Dave highlight how these agents are designed to take over mundane workflows like scheduling and emailing, fundamentally changing how we interact with our computers. However, this convenience comes with serious privacy trade-offs, as the hosts point out that companies are increasingly building comprehensive profiles based on user interactions.
Hardware Hurdles and Laptop Letdowns: Despite the hype surrounding new releases like the Snapdragon chips and the latest laptop hardware, early adoption remains a frustrating experience for many users. Dave shares his hands-on experience with his new Dell XPS, revealing that a lack of out-of-the-box software optimization can severely hinder the promise of next-generation processors. The hosts agree that while the physical designs are beautiful, operating system integration needs significant refinement before these devices deliver a seamless experience.
Vibe-Coding and the Democratization of Game Design: The barrier to entry for software development is lower than ever thanks to the emergence of vibe-coding, which allows creators to build applications using natural language prompts. Dave shares his success in rapidly prototyping a custom web game without traditional programming skills, utilizing AI to execute complex logic and generate a functional application. Google's new playground platform further accelerates this trend, giving aspiring designers the power to rapidly iterate and bring their unique gaming visions to life.
The Threat of Mega-Media Consolidation: The staggering $110 billion acquisition merging Warner Bros. Discovery and Paramount under the SkyDance umbrella signals a massive shift in media ownership. This unprecedented consolidation of major networks raises serious concerns about journalistic independence and the future of competitive streaming platforms. Paul and Dave warn that as these corporate monoliths grow into a single app ecosystem, consumers could face fewer choices and a homogenized entertainment landscape.
Mentioned in the Episode
- Meta's Muse on Jon Stewart
- Microsoft Clippy
- The Social Reckoning
- Quinn's Webinar
- Dell Googlebook XPS
- Apple's Welcome Home event
- Dyson’s Toothbrush Quietly Disappeared From Stores Within Weeks
- Mashing video games
- PooprScoopr
- Google's Playground
- EDTR Suite of Apps
- IMGEDTR
- Thieves steal Nvidia-labeled trailers
- Skydance merger
- Lanterns TV Show
- Titans TV Show
- Jevon's Paradox
- Introducing all-new Amazon Alexa Tablets
- Why Did Ben Affleck Start an AI Company in Secret?
Transcript
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Speaker 1 You show up unprepared, no notes. You're putting your computer right in the front of Jeff's vision. It's like, is this your first time? Do you even podcast, bro? What is going on? Speaker 2 Uh, says the guy who forgets all of his other electronics. He's only got one laptop when you nor- when he normally has two laptops plus a tablet. You forgot your headphones, which you've made a huge- ... series. We have a three-episode series about this. Speaker 1 We should do - Speaker 2 Two at least Speaker 1 ... we should probably do another three-episode series about this. Speaker 2 Yeah, sure. Speaker 1 Just so you know, Jeff, they are having a moment. Speaker 2 Yes. Speaker 1 Evercai is having a moment. Speaker 2 Evercai is having a moment. Speaker 3 Welcome to The Immersive Lens, the podcast exploring the technologies reshaping how we live, work, and learn. Speaker 1 From AI and virtual reality to creative media and design, we are diving into the tools and ideas shaping our connected world. Speaker 3 My name is Paul Engen. Join us as we uncover the people and ideas driving the next wave of interactive experiences. Speaker 1 And I'm Dave Gadu. This is The Immersive Lens. Speaker 3 And we are joined yet again- Speaker 1 Yes Speaker 3 ... by Jeff Kidd. Speaker 2 Boy, do we have a lot to get through. Speaker 1 We have a lot. Speaker 2 So much to talk about this week. Speaker 1 Oh, I gotta start the timer. Oh. Speaker 3 What? Who, then who's going first, man? It's been a year. Speaker 2 You gotta start the timer till we're- Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Speaker 2 We de- we... What is with you guys? Have we- Speaker 1 Okay. Speaker 2 We've done this 100 times. Everyone calm down. Speaker 3 So why don't we start off by saying that, um, we are moving forward with the logo, um, contest. We have narrowed it down. We've had, uh, uh, Liz Brunell and Laura Engen both review the logos and gave us a rundown of several logos that we're gonna be looking over. And, um, we're, based on their suggestions, we'll probably be refining them a little bit further and, um, it's a conversation that we'll continue to have. Speaker 1 Yeah. And I... Can I put them on the website? Speaker 3 Um- Speaker 1 The finalists at least? Speaker 3 The finalists? Yeah, we, uh- Speaker 1 We should, we should talk to the people who submitted and see. Speaker 3 Yeah, and make sure they're okay with us- Speaker 1 Presumably, if they think it's gonna be a logo on The Immersive Lens, the g- the global phenomena that is- ... The Immersive Lens - ... they should be okay with it being shared with our fans, with other lenses, but we'll see. Speaker 3 Yes. All right. So maybe look for it on the link so you can see. Um, and you'll see that they're in different stages of, uh, design. So the next step is really to take the feedback and kind of refine several of these. Um, and by, by we, I mean me, um, refine several of these and then, um, kinda get one more view from all of us, including Liz and Laura, and then we'll have five... And maybe I won't be included 'cause I'm doing it, but, um, the four of you guys will have that final li-... Does that sound like a logical- Speaker 2 Makes sense to me. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 Yeah. Because there's some sketches that were looked at, some that are, like, that need to be a- actually vectorised- Speaker 1 Interpreted? Speaker 3 ... and yeah. So there's a lot of... There, there's cleanup that needs to happen or refinement and re- So anyway, we just wanted to give everyone a mention about that. And, uh, now I'll start the timer. And Jeff, you can kick us off. How about that? Speaker 2 Okay. So first, right off the top, we all know how Dave feels about Facebook and Meta. Speaker 3 He loves them. He's a huge fan. Speaker 1 Could not be happier. So responsible, a socially responsible company. So I'm just, I'm so glad that they have such a dominant player. Speaker 2 He may or may not have voiced his opinion- ... strongly, not so much quietly, on the podcast in the past. And I saw a video that talks about the new Aaron Sorkin movie, The Social Reckoning- Speaker 1 Ooh Speaker 2 ... which is a follow-up to The Social Network. Speaker 1 That was a fantastic movie, by the way. Speaker 2 Right? Yes. Now, the, the, the review itself was more about the style and his writing and, and all that kinda stuff. But it's about, um, you know, the controversies that have, you know, come about. And I won't, I don't wanna spoil anything, but, you know, we, we have links to it. But, um, it's about a whistleblower f- uh, who exposed the internal Facebook documents suggesting the company knew its algorithms were contributing to misinformation, political polarization, and harm to young users. So Dave- Speaker 1 Yeah. This is based on a true story, I think Speaker 2 ... uh, it sure is. Yes, it is. You gonna go see it? Speaker 1 I, you know, I, I, I love Aaron Sorkin and I love the first movie. I, I don't know if I'll go see it, but I will see it. Speaker 2 Mm-hmm. Speaker 1 I'll wait- Speaker 3 Okay Speaker 1 ... for the movie to come to me. Speaker 3 Me too. I, I loved the first one. I loved the desaturated tones. I loved the way he filmed it. I like... It had such a great pacing to it. Speaker 1 Oh, it was fantastic. Speaker 3 It was like- Speaker 1 And the music, even the music was great. Speaker 3 And it's one of those, like, you know, you think about these documentaries and stuff, and it's not a documentary. It's a... Speaker 1 Docudrama. Speaker 2 Like, a biopic or something like that- Speaker 3 Yeah Speaker 2 ... or whatever. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 3 So- Speaker 2 Dramatization. Speaker 3 Yes. Speaker 1 Jesse Eisenberg is not playing... He reprising the role, right? Speaker 2 No, he's not. Speaker 1 Okay. Speaker 2 Nope. Speaker 3 No, I think this one's gonna be a little bit more controversial, so they... He probably opted out. Speaker 1 Okay. Speaker 3 That's my- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 3 ... that's my guess, or that's, that's what it looks like based on what I'm seeing. Um, but yeah, I, I, he's a great director. Um, I, I really like, uh, like I said, I thought it was a great initial film too. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 So I'm looking forward to it. Um, are you- Speaker 2 So you're basically right. I just looked it up. Uh, Jesse Eisenberg no longer wanted to be associated with that character. Speaker 1 Oh, that's too bad. I was hoping he was just, like, too busy filming, like, Zombieland 3. 'Cause that, that franchise is underrated. Speaker 3 I love that sh- that, The Zombieland is awesome too. Speaker 1 Yeah, Zombieland is a good one. Speaker 3 All right. All right. Speaker 1 So this is n- we are now a Zombieland podcast. Speaker 3 All right. Very good. Uh, anything else regarding Social Reckoning? We gotta keep moving. Speaker 2 Well, the, you have a, a clip to play that- Speaker 3 Oh Speaker 2 ... you thought was quite, uh, funny- Speaker 3 That we- Speaker 2 ... that kind of spoofs Meta a little bit from The Daily Show. Speaker 3 Yeah. So, um, this is a clip, uh, Jon Stewart Daily Show. Um, they had a little spot on, um, on, on the Little Muse character. So I'm gonna play this little audio clip so you can hear Jon Stewart and, uh- Speaker 1 There's, like, a CGI Little Muse dancing on his desk, right? Speaker 3 Yes. And, uh, so you'll, you'll hear it, and then we'll put the link. So for those on YouTube, you'll be able to see it on, uh, on the show notes or on the computer. Speaker 1 Yeah, if you go to theimmersivelens.com. Speaker 3 Here we go Speaker 1 You wanna hear Muse? Speaker 4 Hi, John Speaker 1 I'm just here to help, however I can. Scheduling, calendar, emailing, assuming power of attorney. Uh, no, no thanks. I'm, I'm okay, even though you are adorable. Me? Little old me? You really think so? I wasn't deliberately designed to appeal to your evolutionary weakness for cuteness. Speaker 5 And, uh, Dave, you were talking about that. Was it actually designed for that reason- Speaker 1 I- Speaker 5 ... to hit a specific demographic? Speaker 1 No, I think that's just a coincidence. Speaker 5 That's a coincidence? Speaker 1 Yeah. Um, I do wanna say a few things about Muse. One, th- I've seen some chatter that, like, people are like, "Muse is actually good." Speaker 5 Mm-hmm. Speaker 1 However, to get to the good stuff, you have to sign over all your privacy, all your data, everything. Um, so I know this is not the official position of the podcast or of the college but, uh, I'm gonna wait for a better option. Speaker 5 Well, can I ask you, then, since we're on that- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 5 ... um, Muse came out, and then ChatGPT- Speaker 1 Dots Speaker 5 ... released Dots. Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Speaker 5 And then, um, doesn't Gemini... Are they releasing something too? Or- Speaker 1 I don't know if they're gonna have, like, an as ostentatious a product as those two, but Anthropic already kinda does. Like, Cowork pretty much is this. It can go out and do that stuff. Speaker 5 Right, but it's not a entity or a- Speaker 1 It's not a d- um, anthro- por- phies- Speaker 5 Char- character Speaker 1 ... furby. Yeah. Speaker 5 Yeah. Speaker 1 There's no special product you go to. It just is, like, part of your workflow, which I actually like a little bit better. Speaker 5 Do you? Speaker 1 I do. Speaker 5 Yeah. It's, it's interesting. I wonder how this is gonna... It reminds me of those Tamagotchi, like- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 5 ... characters, and we talked about it in a previous episode. But I could see this Muse being, like... Or Dot. Speaker 1 I, and I will say, so love it or hate it, I do like that it is pushing the, the awareness to a little bit of security and privacy, but also, like, hey, this is where the world's going. It's, it is a- agential. You need to have... You don't need to, but you, you have the power to, you have these agents do things for you that, that could be very, very good for you. So I'm, I'm not m- I don't like Muse. I'm not going to use it, but I do like the mentality of it, and I like the conversations it's starting. Speaker 5 Right, and I, I don't know if you heard anything about these, Jeff, but- Speaker 1 Mm Speaker 5 ... it's, uh, they're agents that you can literally... It's just, like, a little character sitting on your- Speaker 1 Is this like the Microsoft- Speaker 5 Mm-hmm. Paperclip Speaker 1 ... uh, Paperclip, Clippy? Speaker 5 Yeah. Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Speaker 5 Yeah. And, and it would just be on your desk, and you could just be like, "Hey, Muse, can you do X, Y, Z?" And it'll just g- assuming it has permission to do it. And the reason why I'm thinking there's something here, obviously, is because if it was just Muse doing it, I'd be like, "Okay, well, this is..." Speaker 1 Sure. Speaker 5 But then all of a sudden you see ChatGPT releasing something that's pretty- Speaker 1 No one- Speaker 5 ... equivalent. Speaker 1 Yeah. No one's getting left behind. Speaker 5 Yeah. Speaker 1 You know? Like, y- you, you can't afford to at the breakneck pace. I did see two things that kinda gave me pause. One is that people are reporting that it, Muse is aware of conversations that happened in messages that Muse did not have access to, so that's a little scary. Uh, and the other thing I saw that I didn't really care for was that f- uh, Meta is creating profiles of people you interact with and entities you i- interact with via Muse. So e- even, so if you had a Muse and it, like, sent me an email, it would start creating a profile on me. So, l- like, once again, um, like, I understand why they need to do that, but I, I don't, I don't like it. Speaker 5 So let me ask you, if, uh, Google did that, would you be okay with it? Speaker 1 Yes. Google ha- Speaker 5 I was gonna say, 'cause they do do that. Speaker 1 Yeah, so there is this, like, social contract with Google where there's at least trust. Like, I know what I'm getting. If I sign up for Google, I know that they're using my data. But with Facebook, it's like every other week I read about, like, oh, they said they weren't going to read your messages, but they're reading your messages. Oh, they said that they had nothing to do with Cambridge Analytica. Oh, but guess what? It was, like, a two-year campaign, and they were selling your data. Like, they've broken the trust so many times, and Google at least kinda keeps it walled in. Speaker 5 Within themselves, like there. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 5 Okay. All right. That's fair. That's fair. Now, what would you think if Apple came up with something? Well, I mean, I guess- Speaker 1 Oh, Siri? Speaker 5 ... Siri. Well, actually, have you gotten 18? Are you at your 18? Speaker 1 No, no, no. I, I didn't get, I didn't do that. Speaker 5 Oh, okay. Speaker 1 Remember, I, I kept the 15. Speaker 5 Okay. Oh, you didn't... Okay, that's right. That's right. You- Speaker 1 Yeah, I returned it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, still. Speaker 5 All right. So- Speaker 1 Just waiting Speaker 5 ... uh, well- Speaker 1 Well, I do wanna comment really quick about that video. If it's, if what I'm seeing looked correct, John Stewart was live voicing it- Speaker 5 Yes Speaker 1 ... and it was immediately responding, and the mouth was moving accurately. That was pretty cool. Speaker 5 Yeah. I don't know if that was CGI or what, but it was good. Speaker 1 Mm. Speaker 5 I'm pretty sure it was, like, chara- so there's character animator- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 5 ... and so if you set the character up- Speaker 1 Mm Speaker 5 ... you can add audio, and then it just lip syncs. But I'm sure it was something like that. I'm not sure if it was- Speaker 1 But, uh, from a comedic standpoint- Speaker 5 Yeah Speaker 1 ... it was very funny 'cause he's doing it, he's off c- if, if you watch it- Speaker 5 If you watch it, you can't see Speaker 1 ... that's great. Speaker 5 Yeah. Speaker 1 But they zoomed in to his face, uh, to the tight, a tight shot of the, of this Muse, and John Stewart's clearly doing it live, which adds to the humor of it, which I thought was f- very funny. Speaker 5 And so I'm gonna shift gears here, and I'm just gonna, um, make a kind of a call-out and just a PSA, which is kinda diametrically opposite what we were just talking about. Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Speaker 5 On Tuesday, October 13th- Speaker 1 Yes Speaker 5 ... the FLX AI Hub will be hosting our monthly webinar, and it's from guest Quinn Carly, who is a huge, uh, a- AI guru in, in the, uh, community. But she has a real- she has a steadfast human-first approach to AI. So her webinar, and again, it's free. You can go to... I'll actually put a link to it at, uh, flcc.ai. Um, actually, if you go to flcc.ai, you'll see it'll be the, the first title card. Um, but Tuesday at noon, it's called AI as a Thought Partner: Beyond the Vending Machine. AI is everywhere, but asking it for quick answers is not the same as using it as a true thought partner. Move beyond one-shot prompting and use AI to clarify ideas, ask better questions, anticipate obstacles, and expand your thinking. And I do just wanna say, like, if you are a little uncomfortable about the Muse mentality and all those other conversations, like, with AI, this is the session for you, because Quinn is grounded in, like, human first, like, human in the lead. Speaker 1 Oh, that's awesome. Speaker 5 Yep. Speaker 1 And it's, so it's Tuesday, October 13th. Speaker 5 13th. Yes. Speaker 1 All right. Speaker 5 And you can watch it, if you're listening to this afterwards- Speaker 1 Then you can watch the recording. Usually it takes a f- a few days to get the recording up, but- Speaker 3 But it'll be on FL- Speaker 1 FLCC.ai Speaker 3 ... FLCC. Okay. All right. FLCC.ai. Speaker 1 That's correct. Speaker 3 Awesome. Very good. Um, all right, Dave, you're, you're up. Speaker 1 Uh, so, um, I'm gonna say something, and I... This is a safe space in this- ... podcasting studio. Speaker 2 Oh, man. Speaker 3 Here we go. Speaker 1 So the Google Books came out Tuesday- Speaker 2 Mm-hmm Speaker 1 ... and I bought one. And I don't love it. Speaker 3 You mean, like, you have it- Speaker 2 You have it in hand Speaker 3 ... already? Speaker 2 You have it. Speaker 1 I have it. Speaker 3 So what was your- Speaker 2 Well- Speaker 3 What... Give- Speaker 2 Oh my God, yeah, like- Speaker 3 Yeah, we need to know, like, what, uh- Speaker 2 What, what don't you love? Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 1 So- Speaker 3 And what do you love? Speaker 2 Okay, hold on, hold on. Speaker 3 All right. Speaker 2 Initial impression. Speaker 1 It's- Speaker 3 Please Speaker 1 ... it, it's a great customer- Speaker 3 Hold on. I'm gonna reset this- Speaker 1 Okay Speaker 3 ... because this is... All right, two minutes. Go. Speaker 1 This is historic news. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 1 Um, s- it's- Speaker 3 Okay. Which... So which one did you get? Speaker 1 I got the Dell XPS- Speaker 3 Okay Speaker 1 ... because I wanted to try the Snapdragon- Speaker 3 Okay Speaker 1 ... X Elit- Elite chip. Speaker 3 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Speaker 1 So I, I got it, and the hardware is great. Like, it looks almost like this MacBook Neo that's in front of me. Aluminum chassis. Um, it does have a backlit keyboard, which is nice, but this, the battery life is better on the Neo. And the way that the monitor is, like, you can just lift it up on the Neo. Speaker 3 Mm. Speaker 1 You can do that with all the Google Books, but it's not as smooth. Speaker 2 Mm-hmm. Speaker 1 So, like, I think the Neo excels, and I- it's, like, a 13-inch screen, so it's roughly the same size. The Neo excels, I think, in the hardware and the performance. Um, it is a beautiful machine. Speaker 2 I'm j- hold on a second. Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 A brand-new chip is worse than an- Speaker 1 Well- Speaker 2 ... iPhone chip in a Mac Neo? Speaker 1 Let me, uh- Speaker 2 We need to unpack this. Speaker 1 Yeah. So- Speaker 2 Sorry Speaker 1 ... the reason being is because- Speaker 2 A, an iPhone chip inside of a laptop is outperforming a brand-new chip- Speaker 1 But the Snap- the Snapdragon- Speaker 2 For Snapdragon Speaker 1 ... is for, is kind of a mobile chip, too. Speaker 2 Yes, it is. Yes. Speaker 1 Um, the reason it's... I, I believe the reason that I think the performance is a little bit smoother on the MacBook Neo is because the operating system- Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah Speaker 1 ... is better. Speaker 2 Hardware and software integration. Speaker 1 Yes. The, the Google- Speaker 2 Yes. Optimization Speaker 1 ... the Google Book is nice, and the promise of it is wonderful, but they have not... It is not fully baked. Uh, and so, like, you're supposed to be this, like, out of the box. You turn your phone on, you can load it up, and then, like, you control your phone from your comp- I had to restart my computer, like, six times, and each time I restarted it, that was after the initial update. Each time I restarted it, and it wasn't updating, it, like, another feature would come online. But still not all of them have come online. And Samsung has reported that many of their phones aren't playing well with the Google Books. Um, but once the, it gets going, I'm gonna love it. Once all... I just think they, they weren't ready for primetime. Speaker 2 So you're saying... Which is actually kinda common- Speaker 3 Right Speaker 2 ... in the hardware computer space, that stuff is not optimized out of the box- Speaker 3 It's- Speaker 2 ... right away. Speaker 1 That is not the one that I bought. Speaker 3 That is not the one. Speaker 2 Where did you g- where did you get it? Speaker 1 Honey, I got it at Best Buy. Oh, that's got 32. That's got 32 gigabytes of RAM. The... I don't, I did not wanna buy it at Best Buy. That was the only place that sells it. Give- Speaker 2 Okay Speaker 1 ... Best Buy Partner, but- Speaker 3 So wait, which one did you w- Speaker 1 I got the Dell XPS. It's- Speaker 3 Oh Speaker 1 ... the $999 one. So it- Speaker 3 999 Speaker 1 ... it's got, like, lower specs. So- Speaker 3 16 gigs, okay. Speaker 1 So it's not amazing yet. And, and a part of it is because I'm so entrenched in the Chromebook operating system. Like, I love Chrome OS, and I can fly through there like nothing. So it's taking me some time to learn. And I had already used Mac. I've had a few Macs, so learning this oper- relearning it wasn't super painful. It was kind of enjoyable. Um, but it's like, with the- Speaker 2 Do you hear... Are you pa- are you catching these things? Speaker 1 So I'm gonna say two more things- Speaker 3 I am Speaker 1 ... and then I'll be done. One is, because they are brand new, it's not... Like, if you had a problem with your Mac, and you're like, "Oh, I don't really know how to, like, d-," you can Google it. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 1 You c- you can't Google Google Books and get great feedback, A, because no one really has it, and B, because there's software called Google Space Books, which is like Amazon Kindle. And so there's an awful lot of con- like, like, confusion when I s- Google help for Google Books. Speaker 2 Mm. So it's kind of... No, no, what I was tr- trying to say before, I just wanna finish my thought, was it's like you're kind of a beta tester. Like, when you're, when a brand-new first time, you know, what's it called, first generation prod- like, the, the, the Duo- Speaker 1 Mm-hmm Speaker 2 ... when the, when the iPhone Duo comes out, it's first generation, right? You're, you know, there's gonna be- Speaker 1 Yeah. And I knew that going in. Speaker 2 Yeah. So you kinda... Th- that's kind of expected. So I just want the audience to know that. 'Cause we're, we, we know that, kind of. Speaker 3 And I will say, with the Galaxy XR, I think I was going in the same expecta- I had, having the Vision Pro, having the Quest, I had a certain level of expectation. And I'm sure you got on this Mac, and things just started working like you expected. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 And then when you're in there, and your experience is not... It's a brand-new product, and it's not as, uh- Speaker 1 It's like it's not as polished Speaker 3 ... intuitive. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Speaker 3 As the other- Speaker 2 It's very rough. Version one, right? Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 This is version one. Speaker 1 So I am excited about the possibility of it. It's just, it's n- it just isn't quite there yet. Speaker 2 It's not like you're gonna return it. You're just like, "No, I want-" Speaker 1 Well, I might. Speaker 2 But in 30 days, that's it, right? It's only, like, a 30-day return. Speaker 1 Oh, true. Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 1 I don't know. I'm gonna give it a few more days. Um, I'm sure- Speaker 2 A few more days? Speaker 1 I'll give it two weeks. Speaker 2 Wow, you're tough. Speaker 1 I'll give it two weeks. Speaker 2 You're tough on your, on your hard- Speaker 1 I am. Speaker 2 This is- Speaker 3 I'm, I'm dumbfounded. Speaker 1 All right. Next topic. Speaker 2 I can't. Speaker 1 Next topic. Speaker 2 Wow. We need... This could've been an episode. Speaker 3 This should've been an episode. Speaker 2 Oh my God. Speaker 3 I want to- Speaker 1 We'll bring it in. We can, we can do a next topic. Speaker 2 And I just wanna say- Speaker 3 Oh my God Speaker 2 ... again, I just, maybe nobody cares, and I'm just overthinking things. The reason I kind of reacted the way I did when Dave said Best Buy is when I first sent him the link, and we're, um, all the links to all the different options, he's like, "Well, I don't wanna work with Best Buy," 'cause I- Speaker 1 I don't Speaker 2 ... I picked one. I don't know if it was the Dell or not. Speaker 3 No. Speaker 2 I can't remember. But, uh, I wanted, it was, it was OLED, it had the most memory, and it had the Snapdragon. It was a more ex- I think it was a 16-inch, too. I think mine was bigger. It doesn't matter. He's like, "Well, I'm not working with Best Buy." I'm like, "Well, what's your beef with Best Buy?" He's like, "Well, I just don't wanna work with Best Buy." Speaker 1 Uh, yeah. I've, and I've had trouble with Best Buy. This was actually a pleasurable experience, but it's because I didn't have to get technical information from anyone. My big beef is that every time I go there, they're like, "Oh, well, you, you need to buy McAfee for your Chromebook." I'm like, "No, you don't." And they're like, "Yeah, this, this video game will definitely work with this video card." No, it doesn't. Like- Speaker 2 Gotcha Speaker 1 ... they, they just wanna sell you stuff. Like- Speaker 2 They're selling just... Yeah, that's it Speaker 1 ... but with Google Books- Speaker 2 It's the sales Speaker 1 ... it's like, it's binary. The, you're, you're getting one, or you're not. You don't get to pick the flavors of it. Speaker 2 But the operating system, is it the same? Speaker 1 No, it's Google. It's an Android- Speaker 2 It's a completely new operating system. Speaker 1 It's a completely new operating system. Speaker 2 That's why. I, I, I assumed it was the same operating system- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 2 ... on this, but if it's new, okay. Speaker 1 All right. Speaker 2 Moving on. Speaker 1 Moving on. Speaker 2 Okay, I'll go quick, 'cause m- this is quick. Speaker 1 Okay. Speaker 2 This one's super quick. Speaker 1 Uh-huh. Speaker 2 This is... I, I know I'm kinda going out of order, but because this is breaking news. Breaking, breaking news. This happened m- as we were sitting here. Apple has announced a Welcome Home event, uh, for October 13th, which is next Tuesday. Speaker 1 Next Tuesday, a week from, uh... It's like six days from now. Speaker 2 So literally, is it... Did you say your, the AI thing is next Tuesday too? Speaker 1 Yeah, the webinar. Speaker 2 Yeah, so then- Speaker 1 And it's Laker day. Speaker 2 Yeah, and it's Laker day. We got a very busy Tuesday around here. So the event is rumored to be, uh, releasing... They're releasing three new smart home products. Uh, uh, a home hub, a home pod, and an Apple TV. The actual bo- the actual, uh, media player. Speaker 1 Okay. Speaker 2 Um, and the rumor was that the, the, most of this, all of these actually were done. Like, the hardware was ready. E- everything was ready. They were waiting for Siri AI to catch up, or Apple Intelligence to catch up. So these was- Speaker 1 Still waiting Speaker 2 ... they was... Hey, zing. Speaker 1 Zing. Speaker 2 Um, so that's, that's what I'm... So this is a quick, uh, this is a quick hot, you know, kinda hot take. It d- just, just announced. Uh, so the day after, if you're watching this, uh, at launch, uh, when, when this episode airs, tomorrow is their event where they're gonna... It's, uh, but it's not like a keynote. I think they're j- it's just a product launch. Speaker 3 No, I think it's a- Speaker 2 They're just gonna launch these things. Speaker 3 And I think the home, the home pad is supposed to be a touchscreen, like a, like a little- Speaker 2 It's supposed to have a screen. If you remember the old iMac. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 Like an old iMac. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 It's gonna look like an old iMac. Speaker 3 Like a- Speaker 1 So- Speaker 3 ... like a spherical bottom. Speaker 2 Yeah Speaker 3 ... and then- Speaker 2 Small bottom and a big screen on top Speaker 1 Sounds like a Jetsons vibe. Speaker 2 Sure. Speaker 3 Well, they have those, they have those, uh, AI, um... Like, it, it, it looks like a little- Speaker 2 It's a speaker. It's a smart speaker, isn't it? Speaker 3 It's like a smart... But this is not Apple. It's a- Speaker 2 Oh Speaker 3 ... it's a AI product where you can actually put it on your phone, and then you dock it, and it rotates, and it turns into eyes. But it's on a spherical base. Speaker 2 Oh, I have seen that. Speaker 3 And, and these... Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 3 And then it, you can interact with it. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 3 And it, like, engages with your phone, and it moves. Um, and I don't think it's that, but it was, it was interesting that, um- Speaker 2 So really quick, do you guys care? Speaker 3 I, I care about the 4K Apple TV. I think that that'll be a big one people are waiting for. That's been- Speaker 2 Do you have one? Speaker 3 I have a- Speaker 2 Do you have one? Speaker 3 ... old one. Speaker 2 At home? Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 Really? So you should get one. You should get this. Speaker 3 Yeah. I might. I might. Um, but yeah. I don't know if they release anything else, it'll be a surprise. But I think that's it, right? Speaker 2 Dave, do you care about this stuff? Speaker 1 No. Speaker 2 No. Speaker 1 Um- Speaker 2 I, I don't care either. Speaker 1 Oh, okay. I, I actually kinda think the smart home has been a, a promise industry-wide that hasn't really been delivered on. Speaker 2 I agree. Speaker 1 Okay. Speaker 2 I agree. And, uh, I, I, I approve of all Apple, any Apple TV. We love our Apple TV. Um- Speaker 1 I had the first one. It was like this big. Speaker 2 Yeah. We've, we've had a qu- a few here at the college. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 I love it because I, we lose our remotes all the time. Speaker 1 Your light's on. Speaker 2 We lose our remotes all the time. Yeah, my finger. It's just I picked it up. And it's built into the phone. Speaker 1 That's true. Speaker 2 So I can control the, the TV from my phone. Speaker 1 Amazon does that too with their Fire. Speaker 2 Chris, I can't... It's not showing up. And also, I can find the remote, I can locate the remote from the app. Speaker 3 Yeah, I do like having the control on my phone- Speaker 2 I c- Speaker 3 ... 'cause I can't find it Speaker 2 ... I actually don't like it. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 1 You don't? Speaker 3 No, because I like... Sometimes I wanna, I don't know. I watch a lot of movies with explosions, and I wanna, like, constantly adjust the volume. So, like, the tactile, like, buttons of where the volume is. Speaker 2 It works. Speaker 3 Yeah, you can do that. Speaker 2 The volume on my phone. Speaker 1 If you have the app open. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 1 So what, what happens- Speaker 3 Oh Speaker 1 ... when you're like- Speaker 3 Oh. Oh, yeah. Speaker 2 Oh, you mean, like, immediate? Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 Oh, God. Okay. Okay, boomer. Speaker 1 All right. Speaker 2 Next topic. Speaker 3 Next topic. Speaker 1 Wow, this is a gong show. We should do the gong show edition. Speaker 3 Um, so, uh, I don't know... Oh, let's see. Is this a nice audio? I couldn't hear it. These aren't good mus- Speaker 1 Are you trying to do gong show? Speaker 3 No. Oh, these are people dying. I wanted a little, uh, death track. Um, but the- Speaker 1 Like, oh, some, like, dirge music? Speaker 3 Yeah. Dyson- Speaker 1 I'll do it like... Speaker 3 Oh, I get it now. Okay, okay. Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay. Speaker 3 So, uh, the Dyson, uh, you know, the toothbrush that you guys were gonna buy me- Speaker 1 No, never heard of it Speaker 3 ... never- Speaker 2 Nah, I don't think we were gonna buy it, but sure. Speaker 3 Oh, oh, we were. Speaker 1 Deb, Deborah. Uh, Deb was gonna. Speaker 2 Deborah bought it. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 Deb, Deb made it very clear- Speaker 3 Well, I'm glad- Speaker 2 ... that that was not gonna happen Speaker 3 ... I'm glad that Deb delayed her purchase. Speaker 2 Yeah, you were still trying to sell her on it. Speaker 3 Because, uh, they quietly made it disappear from all of their stores, and they recalled all of the toothbrushes. Speaker 1 They recalled them? Speaker 3 Yeah, because, uh, you know, there's one fundamental issue, uh, when you brush your teeth, and that is that there's moisture and water. Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Speaker 3 And, um, if you have a battery, you need to make sure that that moisture and water doesn't get into the battery- Speaker 1 Oh, so it was a- Speaker 3 ... chamber Speaker 1 ... it was a manufacturing defect Speaker 3 ... so yeah. So the, it was getting, uh, water in, in the battery, and it was causing issues. And, like, battery, like, they weren't even starting. So you bought this 500- Speaker 1 Oh Speaker 3 ... dollar toothbrush, and- Speaker 1 They need, like, a pull start, like on a lawnmower. Speaker 2 This makes me wish we had it so bad. Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, that would've been great. I would've loved it. Speaker 1 In all honesty, I, if, if that product was, like, $250, I would've bought it. Speaker 3 Well, maybe it'll get there now after- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 3 ... they fix this issue. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can, you can just get one. Speaker 1 I'm, I'm only saying that 'cause I've spent $150 on, like, a, a high-end electric toothbrush. Speaker 3 Oh. Speaker 1 And for another 100 bucks, if it has a camera- Speaker 2 Oh, okay Speaker 1 ... and AI and lasers and- Speaker 2 All right Speaker 3 ... and it does cleaning and, yeah Speaker 1 ... and it doesn't d- degrade the battery Speaker 2 ... now they're not, now d- do you know if they're, like, they're canceling it, or are they just gonna fix it- Speaker 3 They didn't- Speaker 2 ... and release a new one? Speaker 3 ... they didn't say that they're canceling it. They're just not saying anything about it to hopefully, they can relaunch it is my guess at this point. Speaker 1 The amount of R&D that they must have had to have done. Speaker 3 Yeah. For- Speaker 2 Well, they didn't do a very good job, because it- Speaker 3 Yeah. I think it lasted about a month, and then- Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 3 All right. You're up. Look at me. I did mine in under two minutes, everyone. Speaker 2 Yeah, that's true. Speaker 3 Learn, learn. Speaker 1 Who's up? Speaker 3 You. Speaker 2 You. Speaker 1 So, uh, th- this is a video game rundown. Uh, one, there's been this thing, Opus Five- uh, Claude, Anthropic's Claude, Opus 5.5 turns out to be very, very good at decompiling games. And so a lot of people out there are making hybrid concepts like Mi- Minecraft inside of Elden Ring and Skate 3 mechanics inside of Call of Duty. So they're able to, like, mash up games. Uh, it's kind of like using Photoshop to put two photos together, except a little bit more sophisticated. So that's one thing that's cool. The second thing that's cool is if I could direct your browsers, both of you please, to- Speaker 2 Mm-hmm Speaker 1 ... pooperscooper.com. There's no E in pooper and no E in scooper, but pooperscooper.com. Speaker 2 Okay. Speaker 1 This is a game that I have been pitching in the video game design course that I used to teach, 'cause we have to do a pitch, much like they do in your capstone. Speaker 2 Uh-huh. Speaker 1 So I would demo one. And we are at a point of technology now where, uh, I was able to make pooperscooper.com and it's, it's an addicting video game. I'm telling you all right now, don't go there because you will not peel yourself away- ... from it. Speaker 2 Ooh. Speaker 1 You either spelled pooper or scooper wrong. Speaker 2 P-O-O... Too many Ws again. Uh, how many Ws did you put in it? Speaker 1 Two O's. Speaker 2 P-O-O-P-R. Speaker 1 Oh, no E's. Speaker 2 Yeah, no E. Speaker 1 No E. Speaker 2 Ah. Speaker 1 Um, and so this, I, I- Speaker 2 The no E is scooper. Speaker 1 I've been vibe coding- Speaker 2 No E's Speaker 1 ... this wi- for, oh, I don't know, maybe about two weeks. And th- because in the vibe coding course I teach, we will be doing video games as, like, a chapter, so I wanted to make sure that I was able to do what I wanted to do. And so I made this game, Poop- Now, if you hit that mute button again, it's going to unmute it, just so you know. Um, that's, that's actually a plus in the Google Books category, too, the Google Books. If you hit mute, it mutes no matter what. So anyway, um, you can all check it out. It is actually designed for mobile as well, and it's just some cheeky humor. But I say this because my prompting expertise that I have accrued in making this game is now worthless because just today Google dropped something called playground.google, and it's vibe coding specifically for video games. Speaker 2 Okay. Speaker 3 Oh. Playground.google? Speaker 1 Yeah. So you can go and make a video game. And it, it's nice because it understands the context of games, so you can describe it. So, um, I'm actually... I took my design document from, that I've accrued for the last two weeks in making pooperscooper.co- com, and I dropped it into Playground, so I'm gonna see if it can do a better job. Speaker 3 And, and if it could do it quicker? Speaker 1 Yeah. So but tell all your friends, families, and enemies- ... about pooperscooper.com. Speaker 2 I wish I could say what the achievement just said. Speaker 1 Pooper... It's a friendly, it's a family-friendly ga- friendly game for the most part. There's one, one t- one thing that... But other than that, it's a great game. Check it out. It's addictive. Speaker 2 It, yeah, that was great. Speaker 1 Okay. Now- Speaker 3 I love it. I love it. Speaker 1 Okay. Speaker 2 And this looks great too, by the way. Speaker 1 Thank you. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 This looks great. Speaker 1 That fir- the, the aesthetics of it, that was Google Gemini in one prompt. Everything else has just been, um... I started, I s- I pivoted to Claude because it got lost in Google, but then I started adding, like, all the fun things. But the proof of concept, those graphics haven't changed since the first prompt. It's got like a Roblox type feel. Speaker 3 This is awesome. Speaker 1 I'm just letting you know, if you let that pile of poop sit in the grass, it's gonna accrue flies and it's gonna stay in the grass. Um, but and, and I, I don't wanna, like- Speaker 3 I see flies coming. Speaker 2 Yes, I see flies. Speaker 1 I don't wanna minimize this game. There's been a lot of thought, because I've been thinking about it for like 10 years. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 1 Um, there's a lot of things that will happen over time. And so the more you play it, the more you see, like, these small, small details. Speaker 3 Yeah, I love it. Speaker 1 And I- Speaker 3 And you could tell you, I suspect you built this and you're like, "You know, I need a overview window. Oh, you know what? We need to have some kind of menu or-" Speaker 1 Oh, yeah Speaker 3 ... or-" Speaker 1 The, the, the pause button, get it? It's a paw. Speaker 3 Oh. Speaker 1 It's a dog paw. Get it? Speaker 2 Oh, okay. Okay. Speaker 1 Okay. So it's, it's very punny. Okay. Speaker 3 I love it. Speaker 1 Thank you. Speaker 3 This is awesome. Pooperscooper.com with no E. Speaker 1 No E. Speaker 3 No paw. Speaker 1 Yeah. No, that's called a lipogram when you don't use Es. Speaker 3 Um, um, well, s- speaking of your, uh, of your concoctions here, um, you have a slew of web-based, uh, editing applications. Speaker 1 Oh, the EDT suite? Speaker 3 Yes. And, um, is that what you're calling it? Speaker 1 Well, it's, uh, I, I call it- Speaker 3 No Es. Speaker 1 Yeah. So there's, like, uh, an image, kind of like a lightweight Photoshop. A li- and when I say lightweight, I mean like lightweight. Uh, lightweight video editor, lightweight desktop publishing, lightweight, um, 3D generation. It's a whole suite. Speaker 3 Yeah. So I, I love that I was using the Screencaster and then I had a small video and I was like, "Oh, cool, I'll edit it." And just because I don't wanna open up Premiere and go through all of these different- Speaker 1 Sure Speaker 3 ... different things, I just put it in there. It did a quick cut, shortened it, exported it, done. Speaker 1 And it worked well? Speaker 3 And it worked great. So then I was like, "Cool, I'm gonna use this." Speaker 1 That's how I get you. Speaker 3 Yeah. I, I'm like, "This is great. I don't..." I had another video that I had to cut up, and it was a longer video. It was, like, uh, an hour video. Speaker 1 Mm. Speaker 3 And, uh, I put it in there and, um, when I put it in there, I was thinking, "Cool, I'll just chop, chop, chop, chop." But when I chop, chop, chop, chop, chopped it, the audio was remembering the previous audio when I cut it. Speaker 1 So the audio didn't get chopped, but the video did? Speaker 3 Yes. Speaker 1 Okay. Speaker 3 So, like, I'd hit play and I'd be hearing 10 minutes into the video, and I was like, "Okay, I, I'll set it." I did a different split. I did a, I did all of these different things. Um, so short form videos, it was awesome. Speaker 1 Yeah, and I, I, s- I'm glad you found the bug and you're reporting it. I'll get my team on that. Speaker 3 Yes. Speaker 1 Um- Speaker 3 The team of Dave. Speaker 1 The team of Dave. Dave and Claude. But the, it, it is meant for basically, like, educators who don't have Premiere or don't have Photoshop. Speaker 3 Mm-hmm. Speaker 1 So but I baked in features specifically for educators. So for instance, in the image one, you, you get your cropping, you get your circles, whatever, but the, the main features are, like, a spotlight where you can, like, circle something and everything else becomes dim in the photo. And there's also, what I think is really important, is, um, the redaction tool. So a lot of times I'm taking screenshots- Speaker 3 Mm Speaker 1 ... to send someone via Outlook. But it has names. And so it has a redaction tool right on the left rail, on the left nav bar, where you can obscure it with either a black bar or, like, you can pixelate it. Speaker 3 Mm-hmm. Speaker 1 Um, and then I have another tool called, like, numbering, where if you're on that tool, when you click in one spot, it puts a number one in a circle, and then you click again, it puts a number two, so you can, like, make images. Speaker 3 Mm. Speaker 1 And so, like, all these apps are designed kind of for educators or kind of the, the, the common person- Speaker 3 Yeah Speaker 1 ... uh, not the video editors like you do. So and it a- also runs offline. It runs in your browser, and it never sends anything to the server, which is why a 30 or 45 or 75-minute video is alm- it will probably crash your browser. Speaker 3 Yeah, 'cause of the- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 3 ... memory. Yeah. But I thought... I think overall, I, I really love the suite, and I love that they're all connected. I was telling you this earlier, that I was with the Screencaster, and then I was like, "Oh, you know, I need to do a quick edit." Speaker 1 Bingo. Speaker 3 And then boom, I just did it. And then- Speaker 1 Yeah. And the other nice thing is, like, the synergy. So I designed the Screencaster. It has, like, confetti, and it has, like, applause. But I was able to bring all that into the... It that... Now, that's baked into the video editor as well because they're like, "Oh, we already did all the wiring for that. We'll just bring it over." Speaker 3 Bring it over. Yeah. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 That's great. So I just wanted to piggyback off your, uh- Speaker 1 Thank you Speaker 3 ... off your drawing. And I don't know if there's... Is there a URL for that or- Speaker 1 Um- Speaker 3 I'm, I have, like, a little shortcut, so... Speaker 1 The, the easiest way to get to them is, uh, I do off my personal website, and I'll- Speaker 3 Oh, okay Speaker 1 ... post them in the web notes here. But if you just go to IMGEDTR, that's im- the image one- Speaker 3 Uh-huh Speaker 1 ... then it, the splash screen will have all- Speaker 3 All Speaker 1 ... of them. Speaker 3 Okay. All right. Very good. Speaker 1 And it, it really is a reflection of, like, software of one. I designed this, and I'm happy to share it for people, but I designed it specifically for me. Speaker 3 Right. Speaker 1 Like, that whole suite. And it did not take long at all. The entire thing took under two weeks, and it's not like me prompting for two weeks. It's like I'm doing stuff for school, and then I'm like, "Oh, I'll just send a prompt." Speaker 3 Right. Speaker 1 And then I'll do more stuff for work. So but this, the paradigm of software for one is unbelievable- Speaker 3 Oh, yeah Speaker 1 ... and this is a testament to it. Speaker 3 Um, all right, Dave, or Jeff, you're up. Speaker 2 Okay. This is, this is quick. So shout-out to my, uh, former student and friend, Dom Krantz. He I was telling him that I was compiling stuff for today, and he's like, "You should talk about the article that I showed you yesterday." Speaker 3 Wait, does he sound like that? Speaker 2 He sounds exactly like that. Speaker 3 Oh my gosh. Get him on the pod. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 3 It's like Jon Stewart over here. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 1 Ooh. Speaker 2 Ooh. Speaker 3 Could you, could you have a little picture of Dom on the corner? Speaker 2 I'll animate Dom. Yeah, yeah, we'll work on that. We could vibe- Well, some of us will vibe that. Um, anyway, it, it is a funny... It is very funny. So thieves steal an Nvidia truck expecting millions in AI technology but find out it's 40,000 pounds of sand. Speaker 1 Yes. Speaker 3 Wait, what? Speaker 2 Yeah, so there's a... the story is thieves in California stole two trailers displaying Nvidia and Pulse AI branding. So it's got, like, the Nvidia logo on, on it, and this Pulse AI brand. It's got... So it's these huge trucks parked outside, and these thieves steal it, thinking that they're s- getting away with all this sick hardware. Speaker 3 Right. Speaker 2 And they, they don't, they, they don't even get that far down the road because they park it, and then they go, and they open it up, and they find out it's just full of sand. 'Cause all they were doing was they, they calculated the weight of the trucks to put that much sand in there to see o- h- if it can handle the weight of all the- Speaker 3 Oh, so it was, like, testing? Speaker 2 Eventually... Yeah, they were just testing. Speaker 3 Oh. Speaker 1 Wait, where was this? Speaker 2 In California. Speaker 1 Where? Speaker 2 I don't know where in California. I clicked, I, I clicked on the link. Speaker 1 What, what are the... Okay, so, like, you work for Nvidia, and you're like, "We gotta test the trucks. We'll put 40,000 pounds of sand." What do you do with the sand afterwards? Speaker 2 Uh- Speaker 3 You put it back in the beach. Speaker 2 Uh, right. Put it back, yeah. Speaker 3 The beach is eroding. It's, uh- Speaker 1 Oh Speaker 3 ... they're contributing- Speaker 1 ... that is because of Nvidia. Speaker 3 No, no, no, they're contributing to adding it. Speaker 1 Oh. Speaker 3 They, they collect it- Speaker 1 I mean, where did it come from? Speaker 3 ... from somewhere else. Speaker 1 Oh. Speaker 3 I don't know. Speaker 1 Okay. Speaker 3 I don't know these logistics. Speaker 1 I, I have now more questions than I did when- ... when you started. Speaker 3 You... Then everyone- Speaker 1 It was- Speaker 3 ... is looking it up to see what's going on Speaker 1 ... it was a sand- Speaker 2 Yeah, it doesn't- Speaker 1 ... a sand heist. Speaker 2 Yeah. It, it doesn't say specifically where, but it just says, yeah, California. Speaker 1 All right, cool. Speaker 2 Anyway, just fun little story. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 These people thought they were walk- walking away with- Speaker 3 With- Speaker 2 ... hundreds or millions of dollars in hardware- Speaker 3 Hilarious Speaker 2 ... and it was just sand. Speaker 3 That's awesome. Speaker 2 Just sand. Speaker 3 I thought they were doing it as a, as a s- like, a- ... they were doing it intentionally. Speaker 2 I thought it was, too. I was like, "Oh, that's smart that they- Speaker 1 Do we know- Speaker 2 ... fooled them in a way" Speaker 1 ... do we know that it's not a heist? Like, is this an Ocean's 11 type thing where, like, w- they want us to believe that it was just sand, but really it wasn't? Like, is there something- Speaker 3 Oh Speaker 1 ... else going on here? Speaker 3 Oh, man. Speaker 2 Maybe. Speaker 1 Oh my gosh, I, I know I always say I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Speaker 3 Yes. Wait a minute, Dave. Speaker 1 I just love a good heist. Speaker 3 Guess so. All right, um, so I think a big news in, uh, media world was, um, Skydance, uh, which is Ellison, um, the- Speaker 1 Oracle? Speaker 3 ... Oracle, or him and his son. Um, it's mostly dad's money, but his son also, um, i- is gonna be CEO of this, uh, conglomerate. Um, but Skydance, uh, it's official that they complete the acquisition of Warner Brothers Discovery, um, and they're removing the Warner Brothers. And I don't know how you guys feel about this Paramount brand, and it's now just gonna be called Skydance. Speaker 1 They, they already painted the water tower, the iconic water tower in Hollywood. Speaker 3 Oh, so it's not even Warner Brothers already? Oh. Speaker 1 Well, it has a WB logo, but then it says a Skydance company. Speaker 3 Oh, they did. So this is huge because this is CBS. It's HBO, which I love HBO, and I hope they don't, they don't- Speaker 1 Oh, yeah Speaker 3 ... tarnish the integrity of what HBO is. Um, CNN, um, CBS News, and then obviously all the Paramount and, uh, Warner Brother movies. Um- Speaker 1 Bugs Bunny? Speaker 3 But all of it. They own it all. Speaker 1 Wait, did... Is this why they put out that, the Coyote versus Road Runner movie because- Speaker 2 No. Speaker 3 Oh, before? Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 1 Oh. Speaker 2 Oh, before maybe. Oh, I don't know. I, I don't think... I think it's just a coincidence- Speaker 3 Okay Speaker 2 ... if I had to guess. Speaker 3 So, um, you know, it's- Speaker 1 So what does this mean for us? Speaker 3 For, for us, I don't know what they're gonna be doing with the consolidation. I don't know if- Speaker 2 Well, you, you s- took my topic. Speaker 3 Oh. Speaker 2 I don't know if you noticed that. Speaker 3 I didn't. Speaker 2 No, this is great. I just- Speaker 3 I didn't Speaker 2 ... it's so funny that I saw the news thing, and I was like, "Did he realize that he took it?" 'Cause I, 'cause I had it, and then... Keep going. Speaker 3 Oh, I- Speaker 2 It's okay. Speaker 3 Keep going. All right, guys, I apologize. Speaker 2 No, no, it's fine, 'cause I- Speaker 3 Oh Speaker 2 ... 'cause we were, we could... Now we're, we- Speaker 3 There you go Speaker 2 ... just to save a little bit of time. Speaker 3 Okay, there you go. Speaker 2 So I think it, $110 billion. Um, so what does it... Like, I think it, the... I, I heard a rumor too that they're gonna... So, like, all these apps for all, it's gonna be one app. Speaker 1 Mega. Speaker 2 So it's kinda like Disney Plus, right? Disney- Speaker 1 I've always wanted that Speaker 2 One mega- Oh, you do, huh? Well, you're in, well, now it's working. It's, this is my problem. This is... Sorry, I'm getting- ... ahead of myself. This is, I don't like this at all. This terrifies me. You should be terrified about this. Speaker 3 I, I, I don't like media c- conglomerates. Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what, that's- Speaker 3 Yeah Speaker 2 ... that's why it's terrifying. To, you know, two major Hollywood studios are now owned by one company. Uh, independent, you know, films c- you know, competition is now shrinking. I'm looking at it more from a, like, a noose perspective. Speaker 3 Yeah, that's scary too. Speaker 2 L- yeah, like you see, so one person now owns CNN and CBS. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 Is that gonna- Speaker 3 Yeah Speaker 2 ... is that gonna create bias? Speaker 3 Or are they gonna consolidate so it's just one news network? Speaker 2 Or is it one news network? Speaker 3 Or... Speaker 2 It's gonna eliminate jobs, right? That's, that happens all the time. That's terrible. Um- Speaker 3 It's not because the acquisition, it's because of AI that that's why it would, uh, lose to J- no, I'm joking everybody. Speaker 1 But listen, I, this, in all seriousness, is, will there be season three of The Pit? Speaker 2 Probably. Speaker 3 Probably. Speaker 2 I think they're already doing it. It's already in progress. Speaker 1 Thank goodness. Speaker 2 I mean, they're not, I mean, they're not, I would say they're not lunatics because that's, that's, that's an amazing show. Speaker 1 Of course. Speaker 2 They, they shouldn't cancel it, but you never know. Stuff gets canceled all the time- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 2 ... 'cause of this stuff. I don't know. So that, that, that was sort of my hot take on this specifically is I don't like all of these companies, you know, these major, one major company owning all of these media, you know, smaller- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 2 ... media companies. It's too much. Speaker 1 I mean, it happens in, like, the, the product consumer, like the, um, like household chemicals and food. Like, those are all- Speaker 2 Yes Speaker 1 ... major corporations. Speaker 2 Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like consumer products and stuff like that. Now, this was, and then this is the last thing that I'll comment on. This is the note that I had. This is the official response. Speaker 3 Okay. Speaker 2 Dave Allison has publicly promised that CNN and CBS News will retain editorial independence. CNN CEO Mark Thompson will remain in charge, and a five-member board of journalists is being established to help safeguard journalistic independence. Speaker 1 I mean, they said the same thing with 60 Minutes and- Speaker 2 I was just gonna say that Speaker 1 ... we'll, we'll- Speaker 2 Like they, you could say that all you want- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 2 ... but that, they could change it in a, in a minute. Speaker 1 I, listen, I was voted most optimistic in my high school graduating class, so- Speaker 2 Oh, okay Speaker 1 ... I, I'm, I'm hopeful. Speaker 2 No, I'm not. I'm not. Speaker 3 Well, um, and I think, so here's a, here's a saving grace for all of this is, um, we used to have this same issue a long time ago before the internet where you had, uh, five huge org- huge conglomerates that controlled the majority of all the media we consumed. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 3 And, um, it seems like we're going back to that, but we have the internet as a outlet where you can- Speaker 2 Today Speaker 3 ... still produce... Jeez, what is going on? Speaker 2 Dave. Speaker 3 I know. Speaker 2 Man. Speaker 1 Well, I know, I'm just sad. Speaker 3 Um, so I think we still- Speaker 1 You don't sound sad Speaker 3 ... we still have that, so I think that that's our- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 3 ... like, I think that once that came, like, once the internet was, was i- in place with the ability to share content, um, we really opened it up for everybody to be creators, and, and we can consume in different manners, so we're not tied to specifically these four or five organizations- Speaker 2 So it's- Speaker 3 ... if we don't want to Speaker 2 ... that's kind of what I was gonna say was a positive. Like, someone like me, so I haven't paid for actual cable. Like, I don't have cable. I haven't had cable in I don't even know how long. And every- if you guys remember in the audience too, it's like, cut the cord, right? That was, like, Netflix. Like, go to Netflix. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 And now it's like you wanna watch The Pit, you have to have HBO. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 You wanna watch, you know, Moana, you gotta have Disney+. Speaker 3 Right. Speaker 2 You wanna, a- and there's so many- Speaker 3 That's true Speaker 2 ... like Paramount has its own thing. And, you know, fi... You know, all these, and they have, like, a million subscriptions. We're paying more probably than we would have for cable 10, 15 years ago. So that was kinda one of the points that I was gonna bring up is, okay, so technically we are consolidating to a certain extent. If they do have, let's say, a Skydance app- Speaker 3 Right Speaker 2 ... you pay for that service. Let's say it's 50 bucks a month. You were probably paying, you know, 10 for HBO, 10 for this- Speaker 3 Yeah Speaker 2 ... 10 for that. But in that, it, if they're smart, they would say, "That's, that's the..." I'm making this number up, 50 bucks a month. Disney was $6 a month when it launched. Speaker 3 Yeah, but now everything- Speaker 2 But it's not $6 anymore Speaker 3 ... is like three times that. Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, they just raise the prices again, and there's, like, ad tiers and- Speaker 2 Oh, yeah Speaker 1 ... it's a messy landscape. Listen, I, I j- I just wanna watch The Pit. Speaker 3 Yeah, I just hope they don't mess with, uh, HBO. I thought that that was a huge debacle when they removed that. Speaker 2 And oh, speaking of that, it was announced, I should've put this in, in the notes, that James Gunn is gonna stay in DC. They're gonna keep the DC- Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw he's doing his next movie Speaker 2 ... this, they're gonna keep it. Speaker 3 They are. Speaker 2 Yeah. They, they did announce that. Speaker 3 Oh. Yeah, and I've been watching Lanterns. Speaker 2 I love Lanterns. Speaker 3 So- Speaker 2 But I also hate it Speaker 3 ... I'm, I'm watching the last- Speaker 2 I love it, but I hate it Speaker 3 ... episode, so watch- Speaker 2 You watched, okay Speaker 3 ... I'm watching the last episode tonight or tomorrow, but- Speaker 2 This is a- Speaker 3 ... it was- Speaker 2 Spoiler alert Speaker 3 ... a quick hot take. It's a great show, a mediocre, like, Lanterns movie or- Speaker 2 And- Speaker 3 ... series Speaker 2 ... and it's not the superhero movie that you would anticipate. Speaker 3 It's not a superhero movie, yeah. But it is dark, and that's what I like about... I hope DC continues with this. They, they have, like, a dark element to most of what they're doing- Speaker 2 Yeah Speaker 3 ... with their DC universe. Speaker 2 DC is dark. Speaker 1 Well, their new Batman is brooding and- Speaker 2 Yes Speaker 3 ... so I hope they continue that, and I think, like, with HBO you can do that. That's why I don't wanna lose- Speaker 2 Yeah, true, yes Speaker 3 ... I don't wanna lose that because they also created the, um, the Titans, and that was a great... Have you, did you see the Titans on HBO? Speaker 2 No. It, live action or cartoon? Speaker 3 Live action. Speaker 2 Oh, no. Speaker 3 Oh, you gotta, you gotta check it out. It is, it, it's dark. Again, it's dark, but it's got all the characters, like, that you are familiar with with the cartoon and the animation. But they, it's dark. It's a, it's a d- more oriented toward adults. But again, I like that series as well, so- Speaker 2 Okay. Titans Speaker 3 ... definitely f- definitely go check it out. Um, DC Titans. Speaker 2 Okay. I think I h- knew about it, but I don't know why. Oh, it's from 2018. That's why. Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 2 Okay. Yes, I have heard of that one. Speaker 3 Okay. Speaker 2 Yeah, for some reason I thought it was newer. Speaker 1 All right, one, one more round? Speaker 3 Yes. Speaker 1 Okay. So, uh, yesterday, uh, a few weeks ago we, we briefly talked about the, um, Navier-Stokes math proof that OpenAI had kinda published, and it was, like, a very famous math problem, and I said there was a little bit of controversy. It was almost kinda like they s- went snuck into someone, mathematician's Windows and- Speaker 3 Yeah Speaker 1 ... oh, yeah. So that whole thing is kinda blown over, but yesterday, uh, OpenAI, maybe the day before, dropped 377 proofs. ... that were done with math and using AI. And so the, the math, the math verse is up in arms about it. And all that aside and the controversy and, um, I think it is interesting because the bottleneck now isn't what do we need to discover, it's like, how do we verify and validate what has been discovered? And so, like, now the whole sh- there's like the, the landscape has shifted to this kind of, this seismic shift to now validating all these proofs. Um, and then there's people like, "Well," I could understand having this existential crisis like, "Well, what do I do? If I'm a mathematician, what am I gonna do?" And I think there's always gonna be stuff for mathematicians to do, but I do wanna point everyone into something called, uh, the Jevons paradox, J-E-J-E-V-O-N-S. It's an economic concept and it says basically when technological improvements make the use of a resource more efficient, then you might think that that's going to have a negative, like an adverse effect, but the total consumption of that resource often increases rather than decreases. So the, I think the, the canonical exam- textbook example was, like, coal, and w- we're like, "Oh, if we're gonna start doing coal in all these locomotives, the price of coal is gonna go up." But because everyone, um, it, it like transformed the world and, like, the price of coal actually went down. And I think that this is, you can, you can extend that to this and say, "Well, gosh, like, all these proofs are, like, now out there." We're going to be able to learn math faster than we were before. Not you, not the three of us. Like, the people who do it for a living, now they have, like, a scaffolded thing and they're like, "Oh, now we can, like, verify this." So, uh, I'm excited about that. Okay, next topic. Speaker 2 Uh, Amazon kills the Fire tablet. Speaker 1 Good. Speaker 2 What? Speaker 1 I didn't like the Fire tablet. It was, I was sluggish. Speaker 2 It was for kids. I got one for my four-year-old. Speaker 1 Oh. I had one of the first ones and it was not for kids. Speaker 2 Well, yeah, because... I don't know. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 They, they have the Fire phone. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 1 They killed that too. Speaker 2 Yeah, they killed it. They killed that too. Speaker 1 Um, yeah, but I got my nephew a Fire tablet. He loves it. Speaker 2 Yeah. He- it's, it's per- and it's, they're very inexpensive. Speaker 1 Are they gonna sor- support them? Speaker 2 Oh, I, I, that I don't know. Speaker 1 Right. Speaker 2 That's a good question. Speaker 1 But what's the second half of that? Speaker 2 But this was, like, literally this was the first breaking news thing. They announced it, well, just before I came down here. Um, here's, this, this is the thing that I, that I care about. Um, so it, the, the cheapest one is $230. I don't, I could- I couldn't tell you what my s- well, my son's was. The t- it was probably under $100. So that's kind of a bummer that if you wanted something very inexpensive for a young child- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 2 ... or someone that's very, very, you know, doesn't in- get technology or whatever, that's kind of a bummer. So they're, they're all gone. The cheapest Amazon one you can get is $230, still cheaper than what Apple offers. But I also think that their mid-tier one, uh, for 3, $380, is on par with what Apple's hardware is. So w- Apple's I think is now four or $500. Again, they raise it when they, after they jack the prices up, I think it full retails for $500. So similar specs for $380, so it's still cheaper than an iPad, so that's good. But I'm just bummed, um- Speaker 3 That, that's Android, right? That's all Android. Speaker 2 Now it runs Android Speaker 1 It's like a custom Android though. Speaker 2 N- no, it's Android now. Speaker 1 Oh, this is gonna be- Speaker 2 That, that I was gonna say a positive is now it's running full Android- Speaker 1 Okay Speaker 2 ... not Amazon's thing. So it'll run a lot better and open up to more apps. That's, that's, those are the positives. Speaker 3 That was always one of my pet peeves about Android is that there's so many different flavors of it. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 It was like, I used to enjoy it because I used to customize it, but then it was very blo- like- Speaker 1 I was- Speaker 3 ... it was- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 3 ... heavy with w- it's like a Windows- Speaker 1 Bloatware Speaker 3 ... bloatware. It's like a- Speaker 2 Yeah. And speaking of bloatware- Speaker 3 Uh-oh Speaker 2 ... I didn't know this, uh, if there was a feature that exists now or not, $15 to do, to turn off the lock screen ads. Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a one-time thing though. Speaker 2 It's a one-time thing. Speaker 1 But that, that's always been their thing. You get your hands on that. Speaker 2 I didn't know if that was a thing or not. I was just like, "I didn't know that was a thing." Speaker 3 Wait, if you buy a product from Amazon- Speaker 2 They're terrible Speaker 1 ... you know that when you buy it. You can buy the Pro version and it's like $15 more, and there's no ads on the lock screen. Or, like, down the road you, you can pay $15 and turn off the little ads. Speaker 2 Then you can turn it off. Speaker 3 Do you think that's... I'm buying a produ- like, so I'm gonna give you- Speaker 2 But you know that. They tell you that though. Speaker 1 Yeah. There's- Speaker 3 So, so, okay, they tell you that. 'Cause I know we just had that discussion on, on util- like the f- the smart fridges, and then all of sudden- Speaker 1 Oh my gosh, yeah Speaker 3 ... now they're giving ads. It's like- Speaker 1 Yeah. People Speaker 3 ... what? Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 But that's because it was after the fact versus- Speaker 1 Yes Speaker 3 ... you know, upfront. Speaker 1 Yes, yes. Speaker 3 Well, I didn't know about that, that whole thing. If I bought, I, I assume they would tell me or I would... Speaker 1 A- about the ads? Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaker 1 I think it kinda makes sense because it's like, and, and I, now it makes total sense when you're like, "You can buy Disney+ for this much or you can buy it with, without ads for this much." And Amazon does the same thing. They were doing this for, with Kindles like 20 years ago. So, like, uh, your lock screen would always have an ad, and if you bought the Pro version for 10 or 15 bucks more, then you won't get the ads. So I think that's always kind of been baked into the Amazon thing. Speaker 3 Hmm. Speaker 1 But quite frankly, I like the ads on my Kindle, not the Fire, because the Kindle will just recommend books that I was kind of, I probably would've liked anyhow, so. Speaker 3 Mm-hmm. All right. Well, I have one more and then we'll, we can call it or if there's something that comes up. But I just saw an interview with Ben Affleck and, uh, I didn't even realize it, but he bought, uh, or he created a startup called, uh, Inner Positive, and it was a AI company. And, uh, this was interesting 'cause I heard some of his conversation about this. So, so they said, you know, a lot of these AI systems are more general and they are getting, um, proprietary content, et cetera, et cetera. So it doesn't produce things correctly, and there's a lot of, um, there's a lot of, uh, issues with it as far as copyright goes and- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 3 ... and, and so, um, but they, they asked him, "Well, you mean you created your own AI from scratch?" And he goes, "Well, we started from an open model." Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 And then, but this is the cool thing is then, so that was their foundation, so they had a, they had that training. But then all the video, so this is specifically for video production. He shot all the video and, and, and programmed it to work specifically for video production. Speaker 1 Oh. Speaker 3 So, like, if you say, you know, and again, I, they didn't give any, he didn't talk about nuances, but it seems like, you know, if he's talking about, uh, a certain way he shoots, you can just verbalize it or- ... prompt it, and it will execute- Speaker 1 That's nice Speaker 3 ... on that, um, more specifically. Speaker 1 And that's no different than, like, when I'm designing courses, I design my own workflow, my own tools to do- make what I want to do it faster the way I do it. So that's what he's kinda doing. Speaker 3 Yeah, but he sold it to Netflix for, um, 500 million, I think it was. Um- Speaker 1 I sh- do you think- Speaker 3 Yeah, 587 million Speaker 1 ... what do you think I could get for Pooper Scooper? Speaker 3 So, um, probably closer to a trillion. Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah. Wow. Speaker 3 Um, but so they brought him on as a, um, as a senior board member. Um, w- they, they bought his AI company, and they brought him on, and now he used it for Animals, which is his latest production. Um, but this was interesting. He goes, "You know, it's like a magician. You don't go to a magic show and say, 'Oh, how did you create your magic?'" And the magician doesn't start the whole vi- the show by saying- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 3 ... 'I got a rabbit here. I got a rabbit there.' And I, and I was like, "That's true. You just go enjoy the movie for the movie, and if you have issues with the effects or something, all right, well, then, bring it up. But if you don't have an issue with it..." Just because I say that I'm gonna use AI in this, does it c- a- automatically ha- I don't know. Speaker 1 People have visceral reactions to AI. I mean, there's been so many studies that people, when they see art, and they're like, "Oh, I really like that," and when they find out it's AI art, they're like, "Ooh, I don't want that." Speaker 3 Right. Speaker 1 So it's interesting. Speaker 4 But the, he's feeding it... Is it, is the content that he feeds the only content it has to work with? Speaker 3 So he trained it on only hi- the footage that he shot. He hired people to shoot a certain way and train the model after the foundational model to train specifically for video production and post-production in a specific way. Speaker 4 Right. Speaker 3 So- Speaker 4 So it's not like it's f- grabbing everything that has ever existed. Speaker 3 Correct. Speaker 4 Okay. Speaker 3 Correct, and that's why he's, he's saying that it's the, he has an, it's an ethical way that he approached- Speaker 4 Yeah Speaker 3 ... the, the creation of it. Speaker 1 I mean, I would argue that the foundational model probably has watched every movie. Speaker 3 And that's kind of where it was, like, ironic 'cause I was like, "Yeah, so I, I understand you refined your training to be- Speaker 1 Yeah, the fine-tuning Speaker 3 ... the fine-tuning, but that whole foundation was still based on everything that you probably are thinking, you know. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 I dunno. It was a, it's an interesting take. I was really surprised to see it. It was cool to hear him talk in this 'cause he was talking, like, he was like, "Oh, yeah, we, we were using Python scripts, and we were using, um, you know, a- all of this terminology like the neural networks and transformers," and, and, and so he was talking about- Speaker 1 Ugh. Speaker 3 He, he, he was just to, you know, I mean, it w- I wouldn't expect a actor to just spew this stuff out. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 But it was interesting. I thought, uh, I'm curious to see what this, this AI is at some point. Um, I don't know if we'll ever see it. I'm sure it'll all- Speaker 1 Yeah Speaker 3 ... go proprietary to Netflix. Speaker 1 I also wonder what it's gonna be like, you know, at the Oscars or whatever. Is he gonna get booed when he walks in the building now, like, because of SAG? Like, are they gonna not like it? Are they gonna love what it is? Is he bold? Is this visionary? Is this what's going to happen in the future? Um, I don't know. But I do, I will say, like, the model of taking s- an AI model and making it yours and making it l- sourcing ethically, like, paying those people to do that stuff, I don't think that's a bad approach. I have to think about it more, but, like, it's something. Speaker 3 I agree. I think that is a interesting approach. Speaker 1 Other than those camera people might be out of a job because of what they just did. Speaker 3 Well, he said that filmmaking will be, they'll be able to produce more. He did say the area that people should be most worried about was special effects. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 3 Because now you'll- Speaker 1 I saw that Muse on Jon Stewart's desk. Check out the video at theimmersivelens.com, folks. Speaker 3 That's right. Um, any last minute thoughts? Speaker 4 Nope. Speaker 3 All right. Well, that's all the time we have today. I'm Paul Engen. Speaker 1 And I am Dave Gudue. Uh, if you enjoyed today's conversation, please be sure to smash that subscribe button and also smash that like button, a- and turn it into a love button- ... so you never miss an episode. Let's be careful out there, folks. Speaker 3 Jeff, thank you again for joining us as usual. Speaker 4 Thanks, Jeff. Love be- love, love coming out here. Thanks. Speaker 3 Um, tell your friends, family, and enemies. Until next time, stay curious, stay connected, and thanks for looking through the immersive lens with us. Speaker 1 This episode was engineered by Jeff Kiddd, who is in the room once again wearing two hats as s- AI expert, content extraordinaire, and also somehow editing the podcast. Speaker 4 I, uh, Remote Desktop. Speaker 1 And he was playing Pooper Scooper too. Speaker 3 I know. Speaker 4 And I played some Pooper Scooper. Speaker 3 How can he do all this at once? Speaker 1 I don't know AI, man. Speaker 3 I tell you. Speaker 1 He, he trained it. He trained the GoPro with AI. 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